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Post by Calvin on Jun 17, 2015 15:59:55 GMT -5
Oh Geez, this means I'll have to take a chance with the air brush. Or go with Camel yellow, I don't know of anyone that will see my build that was at the race in 1911. John I'd like to avoid telling people to use an airbrush. I usually go in this order when looking for color in spray can: Tamiya, Model Maters Lacquer, and Krylon Short cuts.... With that said has anyone tried Krylon Short Cuts - Gloss Sun Yellow?....their website sample kinda looks like trends towards Wasp yellow? www.krylon.com/products/short-cuts-aerosol-paints/ |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jun 17, 2015 16:27:08 GMT -5
I like the Short Cuts, but Sun Yellow is way to bright yellow I think. Maybe Camel Yellow over an orange under coat?
John
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Post by racerbrown on Jun 17, 2015 19:30:16 GMT -5
Oh Geez, this means I'll have to take a chance with the air brush. Or go with Camel yellow, I don't know of anyone that will see my build that was at the race in 1911. John i don't know john, but you might want to check with walt - he might have been there...  duane |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jun 18, 2015 8:01:36 GMT -5
I was there in 1913, but my memory fails me. Just kidding Calvin.
John
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Post by billj on Jul 13, 2015 8:57:26 GMT -5
The only race they got wrong was 1966  Yep ^ The Marmon Wasp is looking really great, can't wait to see one finished  |
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Post by indycals on Jul 17, 2015 14:43:59 GMT -5
Still no ETA yet but things have been moving along.. This has been a fascinating project. I am still not finished drawing things up - I'm about 99% done, expect to finish in the next few days - yet resin production has already started! The engine block, heads, gearbox, seat, springs and frame are currently being cast. The engine cover and body are just about cleaned up and ready to go to Calvin. Wheels, tires and radiator should arrive today from Shapeways - these will be my first Frosted Extreme Detail parts (and all the remaining parts will also be printed FXD). A few more parts are currently at shapeways and I expect to send my last order to Shapeways hopefully by Monday at the latest. Some of the parts are going to be EXTREMELY fine and I'm hoping they can be done in white metal - keep your fingers crossed. Still a lot of things to 'figure out' but the progress so far has been good. And I haven't even started drawing up the decals yet. The engine cover and body are the masters - everything else in this pic are parts that have been cast in resin.   |
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Post by indy on Jul 17, 2015 15:00:44 GMT -5
Great update, Michael. Do you mind posting your thoughts on FXD when you get those prints?
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on Jul 17, 2015 17:07:41 GMT -5
It's starting to get exciting! I know one thing is when Duane sees this he will have a hard time typing out words for his response!  BTW I've been having fun working on this with Michael.....he's been more than easy to work with and has put many long hrs into this. |
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Post by indycals on Jul 17, 2015 17:29:42 GMT -5
Wheels and tire arrived. The FXD looks really nice. It's still not free from build lines, but it's definitely finer and cleaner. It would not have been worth it to do the body in FXD but for parts that need detail or will be harder to clean, FXD is the way to go. The Wasp actually has three different wheels - the back wheels are the same, but the two front wheels are different -the left front has some gears on it, that may have been for a speedometer. The one of the right in this photo is the left front with the gears. I also got the Lola RC wings with this order, so those will be going into production soon.  |
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Post by racerbrown on Jul 17, 2015 19:18:44 GMT -5
It's starting to get exciting! I know one thing is when Duane sees this he will have a hard time typing out words for his response! yeah the keyboard gets slippery from all the drool!  duane |
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Post by Calvin on Jul 17, 2015 21:41:44 GMT -5
Duane, I always like how I can set a joke up and you can finish it up!  |
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Post by pbh51 on Jul 18, 2015 1:54:06 GMT -5
This has been a fascinating project. Oh yes. Not sure why you are including resin parts as it seems to me that 3d printing could produce them more easily. I think it would be very illuminating for you to create an article detailing all the processes and decisions made along the way. Not that your entries here aren't helpful, but this is really groundbreaking. Have you thought about 1/20th and 1/12 versions? Should be pretty easy to scale up the 3d parts. pbh |
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Post by indycals on Jul 18, 2015 2:50:45 GMT -5
This has been a fascinating project. Oh yes. Not sure why you are including resin parts as it seems to me that 3d printing could produce them more easily. I think it would be very illuminating for you to create an article detailing all the processes and decisions made along the way. Not that your entries here aren't helpful, but this is really groundbreaking. Have you thought about 1/20th and 1/12 versions? Should be pretty easy to scale up the 3d parts. pbh Those are some very good questions. 3d printing is very expensive and the material is not suitable for things like bodies - very rough and needs to be cleaned up. I've been 'cleaning' the body and engine cover for several weeks now. Things like the engine don't really need cleanup as the rough texture actually works to their advantage. And something like the frame is fairly easy to clean up. I've already dropped several hundred dollars getting the master parts printed for this project. Just printing a single wheel (not including the tire) was $7.50 (not including the $5.00 handling charge which can be amortized amongst the number of parts in a file), so you're looking at over $30 just for four wheels and that is my cost before any markups. As for upscaling, yes it would be easy, but.... printing is priced by volume. Going from 1/25 - 1/12 - a factor of 2.0833 times greater - that 2.0833 has to be cubed (which is 9)...which means that 1/12 scale is 9 times more expensive to print than 1/25 (assuming all the parts fit within the bounding box of the printer area - that would be an issue for something like the frame or body - if it doesn't fit a more expensive printing alternative would need to be found). So that $30 set of wheels (minus tires) is now $270! Printing the entire kit would be thousands of dollars. 1/20 would be a little more palatable than 1/12, only twice the price of 1/25. Finally, cast resin is a far superior material to work with; it's less brittle, easier to sand, easier to fix if damaged, and far less expensive to produce. 3d printed parts are a viable alternative for smaller parts that are too intricate to reproduce in resin or where there simply isn't enough demand to produce them in resin. Right now I'm really concerned about the engine cover handles and the fasteners that hold the body work down. I hope they can be done in white metal, but they will be very fine and fragile parts. |
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Post by johnwebster on Jul 19, 2015 0:31:22 GMT -5
Thinning the walls doesn't solve the problem because all the hollow spaces on the "bottom" of the part have to have a filler printed in them so the top of the part has something to be built on. That filler is washed away after printing but you still have to pay for the material and printing time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 6:55:35 GMT -5
As for upscaling, yes it would be easy, but.... printing is priced by volume. Going from 1/25 - 1/12 - a factor of 2.0833 times greater - that 2.0833 has to be cubed (which is 9)...which means that 1/12 scale is 9 times more expensive to print than 1/25... A friend of mine is working on a 1/12 Mercedes AMG W05: www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=50877.msg821392#msg821392He paid over 300€ just for test-printing the parts in the worst resolution, in frostet ultra detail this will be about 2000€... |
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Post by indycals on Jul 20, 2015 2:30:07 GMT -5
Here is how I cleaned the wheels. I cut up small pieces of sanding sticks and stabbed them onto an Xacto blade and sanded while looking through a high-power magnifying glass. The sanding blocks are no more than 3/16"  |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jul 20, 2015 6:04:21 GMT -5
Love those magnifying devices. I'd be lost without my lupe.
John
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Post by racerbrown on Jul 20, 2015 6:42:20 GMT -5
Here is how I cleaned the wheels. I cut up small pieces of sanding sticks and stabbed them onto an Xacto blade and sanded while looking through a high-power magnifying glass. The sanding blocks are no more than 3/16" wow! talk about the epitome of tediousness. duane |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jul 20, 2015 6:56:52 GMT -5
Micro surgery
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Post by Calvin on Jul 20, 2015 9:33:51 GMT -5
Love those magnifying devices. I'd be lost without my lupe. John I don't use magnification - it throws my depth perception off? What does that mean? |
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Post by clm1545 on Jul 20, 2015 10:07:33 GMT -5
It means that you are young, and have good vision. don't rub it in.  |
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Post by indycals on Jul 21, 2015 14:34:39 GMT -5
Design phase is complete and I just placed what I hope will by my last order for 3d parts for this project - I should have them by mid August.  |
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Post by indy on Jul 21, 2015 15:41:27 GMT -5
The Wasp looks great, you really did a tidy job when designing it. Also, the research is very informative and shows how much time you have put into making this as accurate as possible. I always enjoy it when vendors give us a peek into what it takes to bring us the modeling stuff we want and need.
Jordan
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Post by indycals on Jul 21, 2015 15:47:09 GMT -5
Thanks Jordan... I just hope it all comes together well, LOL.
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Post by Calvin on Jul 22, 2015 1:59:47 GMT -5
Thanks Jordan... I just hope it all comes together well, LOL. I hope so, I'm currently out in the shop right now working hard on them! Taking "Supercharged Celfie's"  |
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Post by racerbrown on Jul 22, 2015 6:13:22 GMT -5
the term "twin blowers" comes to mind…  get back to work now calvin as we need those wasps! it won't be long before it's too cold to pour resin up there. you might have to move your operations to florida. you know, i've always hoped for a kit of the wasp but would never dreamed of having one so advanced. i can't imagine how much time michael has put into this project… duane |
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Post by indycals on Aug 12, 2015 1:19:29 GMT -5
Some updates. Originally I was thinking about doing some white metal parts for this kit, but the parts in question are so fine and fragile that I don't know how practical it would be and I think instead I'm going to do these parts as 3d printed parts. The most challenging pieces are the handles on the side of the hood and the 'clips' that hold down the body work. Other parts will be the valve springs and a couple highly detailed engine parts. I got my first samples back the other day and the hood handles worked great! The body clips... I had some issues with them breaking when I cut them off their sprue, but I beefed them up slightly and redesigned the sprue so as not to stress the part when cutting.  And here I assembled my first rear-view mirror.  The supports are steel wire which I plan to include in the kit but you will need to cut to size. I think the mirror and the body fasteners will account for most of the cursing during this build, but as you can see, it can be done (this was my first attempt at the mirror.) The first photo doesn't show how small those parts are - the brass painted handles are just over 0.5mm thick |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 12, 2015 1:24:55 GMT -5
Everything looks awesome! And here I assembled my first rear-view mirror. ^^^ I like how you worded that! The first rear view mirror. |
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Post by racerbrown on Aug 12, 2015 6:04:48 GMT -5
or more properly stated, my first, first rear view mirror. ir sure is great watching this thing coming together. duane |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Aug 12, 2015 7:22:59 GMT -5
This is awesome to say the least. The downside is that I just ordered 2 McLarens from Lance, I'm sure Kevin's Shadow is looming for release and I know I want a Wasp. Looks like I'll have to set the thermostat a little lower this winter,LOL,but that's a small price to pay for all the great kits coming along. Thanks Michael for all the work you've put in on this.
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