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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 3, 2014 16:23:49 GMT -5
I'm with Craig on midgets at IRP. Anybody going to Indy should make going to IRP a priority. The best racing I've ever seen.
John
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Post by bobbyc on Apr 3, 2014 19:20:51 GMT -5
You guys are going to give me a big head! Thanks for those nice compliments! I just finished the Packard Cable Special tonight! Craig helped me with a few things on the build- one of which was to tell me that you're supposed to put the bolt heads and nuts on the front axle attachment points. I didn't even think of that until he mentioned it! Here are a couple shots of the finished car. It was worth all the agg!   |
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Post by pntmachine on Apr 3, 2014 19:36:19 GMT -5
Absolutely beautiful, I have Harold getting a kit together for me and can't wait. Hope I can even come close to being as happy as you have to be with that. Would love to see some front, top and back pics of it. Very nice job Bobby and great history as well!!! We are going to have to keep you busy in here.
Kevin
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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 3, 2014 19:47:36 GMT -5
What do you suppose that baby would do around IRP? It's amazing what you guys are doing with this kit given what you've said about the lack of clear instructions. Bobby, it looks great, and I'm sure Craig's will be to.
John
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 3, 2014 20:54:25 GMT -5
That is just stunning, Bobby. I hope mine turns out half as good. That sure should get some attention at the show.
It was great talking to you, please stay in touch.
Take Care
Craig
BTW, that thing hanging down on the right side is the starting crank handle, it's in the kit.
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Post by INDY22IAM on Apr 3, 2014 21:06:04 GMT -5
Absolutely amazing build. I love the colors on this car. I think if you put it in an outdoor setting and took pictures it would be hard to tell it is a model. Great job on this build.
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Post by Calvin on Apr 3, 2014 21:15:26 GMT -5
Very nice Bobby!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:35:18 GMT -5
Very nice sir..................
Russ
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Post by racerbrown on Apr 4, 2014 6:25:23 GMT -5
that's as good as it gets!
i can only hope that mine comes out half that good.
thanks for sharing.
duane
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Post by bobbyc on Apr 4, 2014 17:58:36 GMT -5
Thanks for all the nice compliments!
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Post by lance on Apr 4, 2014 20:03:47 GMT -5
I never thought I would see work that rivaled Chris Etzel's but this definetly does and maybe a little more. a great model and a great build!
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 5, 2014 9:00:03 GMT -5
I never thought I would see work that rivaled Chris Etzel's but this definetly does and maybe a little more. a great model and a great build! Yes and No, Lance. The quality of the castings, and the detail of the parts is almost beyond belief, and the fit of the parts is very good. On the other hand, the sheer number of parts, with no photos or drawings, is quite frustrating. Many of the parts could have been combined with no effect on the build. The instructions are very basic, and somewhat contradictory. The finished car can be stunning, as Bobby's build shows, but, for me, the build process can be somewhat of a struggle. I would buy another HRM kit in a minute, but the build can be a challenge. |
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Post by gwstexas on Apr 6, 2014 8:35:53 GMT -5
Spectacular build!
Gary
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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 6, 2014 8:55:07 GMT -5
I don't intend to build this kit. Having said that one of the great things about Lance's kits are the way he engineers his kits and the instructions he includes. Kevin also does a nice job with his kits. Personally, I don't like struggling with trying to figure out where and how parts go into a build. Maybe it's an age thing.
John
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Post by cobra276 on Apr 6, 2014 11:46:56 GMT -5
Great job, I love that car and the job you did replicating it!
Dave
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 8, 2014 21:51:40 GMT -5
A little more progress on my build. The decals are on, not much to do on this car, and the body and hood are clearcoated.   The tire decals are Michaels.  The supercharger, carb, and spark plugs(yes, there are 8 spark plugs in the kit)are installed, and 1/2 of the plug wires are on.   More later. Take Care Craig |
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Post by Calvin on Apr 9, 2014 0:19:53 GMT -5
Looking nice as is the pictures too!
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Post by indycals on Apr 9, 2014 4:21:44 GMT -5
What a beautiful build.
Can you fill us in on the history of the car? I am not familiar with it.
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Post by indy on Apr 9, 2014 7:35:45 GMT -5
Coming along very nicely, Craig!
Jordan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 8:08:04 GMT -5
Gorgeous car, a work of art, great build! I've never built any Indy car pre-1965, this car if it was available, could change that really easily! The Youtube video was amazing and that you had a sense of humor after that terrifying crash suggests that you are one brave dude! I think your mentioning of the hair product is the best example of product endorsement ever (if I caught that right during the interview)!
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 9, 2014 10:26:50 GMT -5
What a beautiful build. Can you fill us in on the history of the car? I am not familiar with it. Contrary to what Calvin thinks, I was not around in the late 1920's, from what I can gather, in 1926 the displacement at Indy was dropped to 91 cu in. This resulted in the Miller 91 series of both front and rear wheel drive cars. By 1929, 29 of the 33 cars in the 500 were Millers. Leon Duray had 2 Packard Cable Specials in the 1929 race, the sister car was driven by the great Ralph Hepburn. Both cars started on the front row, but failed to finish. In 1930 the "junk formula" began, so the cars were no longer legal. Duray took the cars to Europe for some exhibition, and record runs. Ettore Bugatti was so impressed with the cars that he bought them from Duray. The cars were found at what was left of the Bugatti factory in the 1950's. They were bought, a story in itself, and returned to the United States. The cars were restored and the car Bobby built, and I am building is now in the Smithsonian. These were truly milestone cars, for their beauty and engineering. Looking at the engine, it is easy to see where the Offy came from. Bobby showed that a "master modeler" can build a stunning model from this kit. I am trying to show that an average builder car get, with some effort, a good result. Take Care Craig |
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Post by indy on Apr 9, 2014 10:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by tomfaletti on Apr 9, 2014 12:54:05 GMT -5
Craig, Your build looks great! Beautiful work. And of course Bobby's is a thing of beauty too.
One little tidbit to add to Craig's history of the Packard Cable team. Leon Duray had a third Packard Cable team car in the 1929 race. However, it was a rear drive Miller 122 fitted with a 91ci engine and driven by Tony Gulotta. I don't remember for sure if Duray took it to Europe with the front drives, (I'll have to check the Mark Dees book.)
The Etzel Packard Cable decal sheet is designed to do any one of the three team cars.
Tom
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Post by indydog on Apr 9, 2014 16:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by bobbyc on Apr 9, 2014 17:53:46 GMT -5
Your build is looking really nice! I noticed in the last photo of Duray's car that the rear spindle seems to be canted forward. I'm really not sure how Harold intended the rear spindles to be angled. I only used white glue to cement the spindles to the axle tube just in case they should have more of an angle to them. My model appears to be level, but I'm not 100% sure. Also- If the spindles are canted towards the front, the tires will be closer to the driver's arms then thay are now, and they appear to be correct at this time. I'll wait until I speak with Harold at the NNL East in a couple of weeks and report back to you guys. What color did you use for the body? It looks like it's the same color I used- Tamiya TS-37, Lavender.
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Post by indydog on Apr 9, 2014 17:59:38 GMT -5
I don't really have any shots that say for sure, but it doesn't look canted forward in this shot:  |
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Post by bobbyc on Apr 9, 2014 20:29:22 GMT -5
You're right. That last shot looks straight up and down. That makes me feel better. Thanks for sharing it! By the way- I'm not sure if you all saw one of my earlier posts, but you can get the decals to make the black & white #4, # 12, or # 21 Duray cars.
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 9, 2014 20:47:59 GMT -5
I used a Krylon color called "Rich Plum", Bobby. Looking at color photos, on line, of this car, none of the shots seem to show the same color. I guess the only way to be sure would to take a paint chip to the Smithsonian. Even then, because it is a restored car, you could not be 100% sure. Whenever we start a color debate, it drives me to drink, but that's usually a shot drive. When you talk to Harold, please ask him to buy a camera, and take photos of the parts.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by johnwebster on Apr 10, 2014 4:20:17 GMT -5
Beautiful models guys.
Miller, his shop foremen the Offenhauser brothers and Leo Goosen, his designer were noted for the quality and craftsmanship of their products.
With the intercooler introduced by Frank Lockhart the supercharged 91 cubic inch Millers were rumored to produce as much as 305hp. They used methanol for fuel and ran boost pressures as high as 60psi. The head, block and cranckcase were cast in one piece to withstand the pressure. There were four valves per cylinder in pent roof combustion chambers operated by dual overhead cams, an arrangement used until very recently in Formula 1.
When the 148 mph record was set at the Packard proving grounds the guard rails had not yet been installed. The car's braking system consisted of cable operated drum brakes on the rear wheels only (exactly like the emergency brake on most modern cars). There were no seat belts and the helmets were leather.
Back when the men were iron and the engines were in front.
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Post by racerbrown on Apr 10, 2014 7:21:19 GMT -5
Beautiful models guys. Miller, his shop foremen the Offenhauser brothers and Leo Goosen, his designer were noted for the quality and craftsmanship of their products. With the intercooler introduced by Frank Lockhart the supercharged 91 cubic inch Millers were rumored to produce as much as 305hp. They used methanol for fuel and ran boost pressures as high as 60psi. The head, block and cranckcase were cast in one piece to withstand the pressure. There were four valves per cylinder in pent roof combustion chambers operated by dual overhead cams, an arrangement used until very recently in Formula 1. When the 148 mph record was set at the Packard proving grounds the guard rails had not yet been installed. The car's braking system consisted of cable operated drum brakes on the rear wheels only (exactly like the emergency brake on most modern cars). There were no seat belts and the helmets were leather. Back when the men were iron and the engines were in front. and their balls were big… duane |
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