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Post by pje on Dec 14, 2010 0:29:08 GMT -5
Calvin,
One thing that I think that would be very helpful to you is establishing a centerline on your body. In a perfect world you could have done it at the beginning by using a different colored plastic sheet that ran down the center of the body spitting it visually into a left and right half. Of course the only way of doing that now would be to cut you body longitudinally and inserting one in, and I am not recommending that!
What I would suggest is to put a mark on the center of your nose and one at the rear of the engine cover. Then you can use your contour device to draw a line down the center of your model. I think you will find it very helpful in determining if you are mirroring the two sides to your satisfaction.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 0:40:10 GMT -5
Looking good! Looks like I approximated those sidepods pretty well too ;-)
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 0:42:55 GMT -5
Calvin, One thing that I think that would be very helpful to you is establishing a centerline on your body. In a perfect world you could have done it at the beginning by using a different colored plastic sheet that ran down the center of the body spitting it visually into a left and right half. Of course the only way of doing that now would be to cut you body longitudinally and inserting one in, and I am not recommending that! What I would suggest is to put a mark on the center of your nose and one at the rear of the engine cover. Then you can use your contour device to draw a line down the center of your model. I think you will find it very helpful in determining if you are mirroring the two sides to your satisfaction. Paul Erlendson You know.....Thats a good idea! I'll have to do that.... You must be looking at my tail end of the car? How it goes off to the side a little.  |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 0:47:20 GMT -5
Looking good! Looks like I approximated those sidepods pretty well too ;-) Yep pretty close.  But we wont know for sure tel' you have one of these in your hands.  Which......at this pace maybe well ahead of schedule  |
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 1:55:37 GMT -5
The nose is looking really good in that last shot.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 2:46:00 GMT -5
Thanks! and I just got done making it better!....The nose that is  I'll have to do a little sanding at the bottom of the Fins to level them out.... |
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 3:24:36 GMT -5
It still looks like the top of the radiator opening needs to be raised a little more. You're definitely getting close!!!
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 3:30:44 GMT -5
It still looks like the top of the radiator opening needs to be raised a little more. You're definitely getting close!!! Yep it does, I just haven't go to it yet or what I meant to say is your right it does need to be fix |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 3:35:53 GMT -5
Little more better....comparing the the fin's inside radius.  I dont know about anyone else but Im noticing a trend...........Im starting to do more "fine tuning" more than major overhauls! ;D |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 3:50:33 GMT -5
There was one more thing I wanted to point out, is comparing the back of the cowling where the bumps are at, right before the turbo assembly, when you look at the car straight forward those bumps are barley visible on Dr Dave's picture. I think mine are very close?   A also think the sides where the fuel tank is need to be shaved off some more? |
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Post by macsparty on Dec 14, 2010 8:53:34 GMT -5
One of the coolest threads ever. Sir, I am in awe.
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Post by harveythedog2 on Dec 14, 2010 13:13:55 GMT -5
I have been watching this progress and I have become a believer. Love that you made the mock-up Mario's #40! ;D Stupid Kevin Kogan...  Stu |
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 13:22:46 GMT -5
As easy as it is to blame Cogan, Mario shares some of the blame - he was way ahead of the rest of row 2, practically right on Mears tail - if he had been in proper alignment he might have had time to miss Cogan. ... and I say that as a big Mario fan.
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 14, 2010 13:55:52 GMT -5
Mike
I think you are wrong about that. Mario never screwed up or did anything wrong. If you doubt that, just ask him. That is the reason I have always been such a big fan of his LOL.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 14:21:36 GMT -5
Craig.....Shame on you. In the immortal words of former teammate and 4 time Indy 500 Winner Al Unser, "Ever hear vintage Italian Wine? Go listen to Mario the day after a race and you'll hear him say, "I didn't have enough boost!"
Michael was correct in the fact that if Mario had stayed in the second row and not try to sneak up....He might have miss Cogan....."Who was hit in the side by Foyt."...LMAO!!!!
Best to you!
Russ
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Post by Michael Chriss on Dec 14, 2010 21:16:00 GMT -5
So, a PC6 could supply some of the donor parts. What is the source for the wheels?
Someone here must be able to etch the rear wing supports and endplates. Looking good, put me down for one!
Did you ever get a look at the bottom? I watched the video on YouTube, thinking maybe we could see the bottom of Mario’s car on the wrecker, but I didn’t see it.
I have been a Mario fan forever, but he shares some responsibility, by being too close. If Cogan had not driven across his bow, it wouldn’t have been an issue, would it?
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Post by professor on Dec 14, 2010 21:43:08 GMT -5
Professional Auto designers use templates to compare side to side of clay models. This would use the centerline method mentioned above. Only way to get it right. IMO
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 21:58:53 GMT -5
I watched the 82 race again today while I was at the gym and there is no doubt in my mind that had Mario been lined up properly he would have easily missed Cogan. And that start was painfully slow, they couldn't have been going more than 50-60mph. The parade laps looked like about 30mph!
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Post by indycals on Dec 14, 2010 22:01:14 GMT -5
Someone here must be able to etch the rear wing supports and endplates. Looking good, put me down for one! I did supply Calvin with a template for the rear wing supports - they would look nice etched in brass. I used to do photo etching many years ago but it was too freakin' messy and expensive for my tastes. |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 22:35:29 GMT -5
So, a PC6 could supply some of the donor parts. What is the source for the wheels? Nope, I plan on having a complete kit as Im not really big on donor kits anyway. and Russ has an idea for the wheels. We are just going to keep it basic for now. The instructions will have a template for the wing end plates and supports so it can be made out of Brass..... Its easy. I have some fairly good pics of the bottom end that I feel good about. |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2010 22:36:39 GMT -5
Professional Auto designers use templates to compare side to side of clay models. This would use the centerline method mentioned above. Only way to get it right. IMO Yep, Im going to try it out and see. Its a great idea. |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2010 0:04:59 GMT -5
Since I had it on my mind, I decided to try out making one of the rear wing supports out of Brass using a template that Michael was able to hook me up with. I just used basic old Medium size scissors and started to cut out around the paper template. It comes out bumpy after cutting the shape out, but brass is soft and can be flatten back out very easily.  Then use a punch and mark out your holes - then drill them out.   Also use a small file set to debur all the edges with. Then give it a final clean up with some high grit sand paper/mirco mesh |
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Post by indycals on Dec 15, 2010 0:33:55 GMT -5
Wow... looks great!
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Post by pje on Dec 15, 2010 0:38:33 GMT -5
It's looking very nice Calvin!
I’ve been doing some measuring and I think that the front wheels from the Tamiya Williams FW07 or the new Tamiya Martini Lotus 79 can be used as a basis for the wheel centers. The wheels from the Hasaqawa Lotus 79 are just slightly bigger.
My thought is to use the Tamiya wheel centers in combination with the AMT Indy car rims and tires. This would take some lathe work to create the masters. The wheels could be two pieces as with the AMT kits, so only the front half of the new wheel would have to be duplicated in resin. The rear wheels on the Wildcat do seem to have a greater off-set than the late ‘80’s cars that are the AMT kits, so that could mean changing the length of the inside rear rim from the AMT kit.
Just my thoughts,
Paul Erlendson
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2010 1:51:08 GMT -5
I think the nose is almost done IMO maybe just some minor spots but I wont really know for sure tel' I clean it up and put some blue on it.... Im also starting on shaping out the roll bar section....which will take about 3 days to get it all worked out.  Little by little im starting to run out of things to fix. |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2010 2:03:48 GMT -5
It's looking very nice Calvin! I’ve been doing some measuring and I think that the front wheels from the Tamiya Williams FW07 or the new Tamiya Martini Lotus 79 can be used as a basis for the wheel centers. The wheels from the Hasaqawa Lotus 79 are just slightly bigger. My thought is to use the Tamiya wheel centers in combination with the AMT Indy car rims and tires. This would take some lathe work to create the masters. The wheels could be two pieces as with the AMT kits, so only the front half of the new wheel would have to be duplicated in resin. The rear wheels on the Wildcat do seem to have a greater off-set than the late ‘80’s cars that are the AMT kits, so that could mean changing the length of the inside rear rim from the AMT kit. Just my thoughts, Paul Erlendson Good idea. But for my budget and tools to work with I dont know if it would pencil out? The most expensive part of doing resins seems to be the rubber molds? So Im trying to make the least amount of molds as possible. But I think Russ has a pretty good idea - he's handling the wheel job for me We'll wait and see what he comes up with. Thanks once again for your support!!!! |
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Post by macsparty on Dec 15, 2010 10:21:27 GMT -5
This continues to fascinate. Those wing supports look great. I've never worked with sheet brass, only rod, but a project like this would be just the ticket to take my modeling experimentation one more step. Bravo!
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Post by harveythedog2 on Dec 15, 2010 10:50:59 GMT -5
So I guess it's Foyt's fault for qualifying third next to Kogan?
Bottom line, Kogan crashed into Foyt & Mario regardless where Mario was. Many lay the blame on Mears for leading the field so slowly. My two cents...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 13:09:09 GMT -5
So I guess it's Foyt's fault for qualifying third next to Kogan? Bottom line, Kogan crashed into Foyt & Mario regardless where Mario was. Many lay the blame on Mears for leading the field so slowly. My two cents... Cogan's CV Joint broke, it's obvious or......He wasn't a good enough driver to be where he was...OVER HIS HEAD? Well....Gordy won the race and that's all that matters. Best to you! Russ |
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Post by illeagle10 on Dec 15, 2010 14:28:59 GMT -5
So I guess it's Foyt's fault for qualifying third next to Kogan? Bottom line, Kogan crashed into Foyt & Mario regardless where Mario was. Many lay the blame on Mears for leading the field so slowly. My two cents... Cogan's CV Joint broke, it's obvious or......He wasn't a good enough driver to be where he was...OVER HIS HEAD? Well....Gordy won the race and that's all that matters. Best to you! Russ No matter what happened, I believe the circumstances set up one of the best Indy races to watch! Jim |
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Which......at this pace maybe well ahead of schedule 
