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Post by alwaysindy on Mar 4, 2012 15:07:15 GMT -5
OK Calvin, this is for you...by the way, I got thighs that weigh what you do now... Story begins with a clear, thin body(slot car?) from EBay a few years ago. Never have built anything starting with just a body. Also had drawings (but not Clidnst), and 2 Cady decals (1 a "corrected" 1)  Then I figured out that I could use a '68 Eagle for the "frame"  As it sits now...the rows are not on the helmet yet...strangest suspension I have ever dealt with...as Patrick says,NOTHING lik a Lotus...  With the skin on...several paint coats left...  Dash and front part of cockpit left to do...  This was earlier, during the primer stage...'75 Eagle wheels and Lance's '65 Lotus tires...  Comments,tips,pointers, questions,etc. are encouraged... Thanks for looking! Tim |
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Post by Patrick on Mar 4, 2012 15:16:38 GMT -5
Great looking,Tim!!! Clear vac-form bodies are not so hard to work with are they? I like the eagle monocoque idea...that's cool!
Patrick
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Post by clm1545 on Mar 4, 2012 16:10:09 GMT -5
WOW. The talent level on this board is just unreal.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by Calvin on Mar 6, 2012 13:36:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the WIP Tim! It will be interesting to see you do it.
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Post by alwaysindy on Apr 17, 2012 14:58:35 GMT -5
It's not done, but is getting there...  It's been fun, but LOTS of work...  And a rear view...  Thanks for looking...  Kind Regards, Tim |
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Post by Patrick on Apr 17, 2012 18:02:41 GMT -5
I looks wonderful Tim! Your effort is demonstrated by the correctness of the body. Very nice job in "starting with only a body." I'm using the Eagle monocoque idea on my '66 Monaco Surtees 312 F1 Ferrari (also a slot body scratch-bash!).
Patrick
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 10:29:07 GMT -5
Brilliant job, loving this build. I should love to copy this but need a 1/24th-1/25th body. This is all good ideas and tips.
Ian
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Post by alwaysindy on Apr 21, 2012 11:36:30 GMT -5
Ian:
I appreciate the kind words. Graham Hill is an interesting subject in the USA. I firmly believe that he never got the credit here that he got in England, primarily by being overshadowed by Jim Clark.
Both won World Championships and Indy, but Hill won Lemans when he was 43.
Also, what is the story on "your side of the pond" on the 1966 Indy 500. Was their a "row" that Clark drove up to Victory Lane thinking he had won? Several members of this forum believe that Clark's team made a scoring mistake and that Hill later told Clark that he knew Jimmy had won.
I'd love to hear your comments on that, old boy...
Kind regards,
Tim
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Post by jamesharvey on Apr 24, 2012 14:56:26 GMT -5
I worked the 1966 Indy 500 as a serial scorer for USAC. They used three different, independent scoring systems at the time. There were two serial scorers who wrote down the car numbers in order each lap following the leader. There was the chief timer and his assistant who created a master timing tape by recording a time impression each time a car crossed the start/finish line. They recorded the car number that made the time impression if they knew for certain which car it was. The third system was an individual car scorer who scored just that one car and recorded its time each time it crossed the start/finish line.
You will recall that the 1966 race began with a major crash on the front straightaway that eliminated 11 cars. From a scorer's standpoint, that made the race easier to score since there were fewer cars.
I am not surprised that 45 years later some think that Clark was missed not once but twice. I really doubt that to be the case. In those days the USCA timing and scoring staff spent all night auditing the results from the three scoring systems before they were posted the next morning. Dick Sauer, the head of timing and scoring, was very detail oriented and I am sure that we got the correct final results. I would also add that as a former driver myself, not at Indy, that it was very hard to know your actual running position during a race.
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Post by alwaysindy on Apr 24, 2012 17:08:00 GMT -5
Jim:
Thanks for sharing! I was surprised when I found out Russ and Lance both felt Clark won. When I saw a picture showing Clark pulling up to Victory Lane only to find Hill there, my curiosity was aroused.
However, the way Andy Granatelli was about winning Indy, I was sure he would have pulled out all the stops if he felt in his heart that Clark had won. I also recall someone saying that the Tower had Hill's number 24 on top the last 10 laps. Wonder why no one in the STP pits saw that?
As with Sandy, I'm a big Graham Hill fan. When I first started watching F1 in '65 , Hill in his BRM at Monaco hooked me...
Again, thanks for the comments...
Tim
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Post by alwaysindy on Jun 14, 2012 12:36:30 GMT -5
Ain't nothin' like startin' over about half way home...decided the cut-outs on the lower body neede to be cut in, instead of just decaling...  At least these are OK...  Kind regards, Tim |
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Post by Patrick on Jun 14, 2012 15:01:52 GMT -5
;)I understand...when good enough just isn't good enough.
Patrick
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Post by alwaysindy on Jun 22, 2012 16:25:00 GMT -5
It's getting there...  Finally got the sides like I wanted...  This has been a #%&*@!. but I like where it's going...  Kind regards, Tim |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 1:59:53 GMT -5
Looking on many levels Tim!!!
Russ
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Post by Patrick on Jun 23, 2012 9:52:27 GMT -5
Very nice Tim! Going beyond good enough paid off with a excellent model ;D
Patrick
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Post by alwaysindy on Jun 25, 2012 11:02:19 GMT -5
Well I'm sad to report that I DROPPED this car and the rear suspension went into several pieces. While trying to catch it, I knocked off the rear cover and stepped on it...
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
If anybody ever sees another 1/25th Lola T-90 clear body, let me know please...
Tim
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Post by Chris on Jun 25, 2012 13:32:32 GMT -5
OOOOOOHHHHHHH BUMMER IT LOOKED SO GOOD!!!! I will check my stock and keep an eye out was that a Lancer body? Chris  |
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Post by mbpp on Jun 25, 2012 14:00:39 GMT -5
OOOOOOHHHHHHH BUMMER IT LOOKED SO GOOD!!!! I will check my stock and keep an eye out was that a Lancer body? Chris It's a Union Vac |
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Post by kurzheck on Jun 25, 2012 14:09:34 GMT -5
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Post by clm1545 on Jun 25, 2012 17:03:18 GMT -5
That's a real bummer. Tim. I know it won't make you feel any better, but most of us have done about the same thing. Put everything away, turn off the lights, go upstairs, and have a drink. That's what I usually do, and it seems to help.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by alwaysindy on Jun 26, 2012 9:18:44 GMT -5
Mike:
Know where I could find a Union Vac? I don't have any decent sites...
Trevor:
I don't want to mess up a whole model for 1 piece...but yeah, if you're willing...
Craig:
Amen (the drink helped!)...
Thanks for all the sympathy!
Tim
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Post by Patrick on Jun 26, 2012 9:36:16 GMT -5
:oOMG  !@#$%^&*(*)++"?><)(*&^%#@!@#$%^&* RATS! My sincere sympathies...the slap on the face must have been stepping on the rear cover. Ouch! Sorry Tim. Patrick  |
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Post by mbpp on Jun 26, 2012 13:29:37 GMT -5
Mike: Know where I could find a Union Vac? I don't have any decent sites... Trevor: I don't want to mess up a whole model for 1 piece...but yeah, if you're willing... Craig: Amen (the drink helped!)... Thanks for all the sympathy! Tim Sadly Tim UnionVac is no longer around finding another one is going to be next to impossible |
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Post by alwaysindy on Aug 15, 2013 15:18:18 GMT -5
Well I decided to get back to the '66 winner (curse you Russ Bundy!)...I have lost the link to prismacars that had the T-90 pictures...anybody still have the link?...their website now hss a Foyt and a Rutherford on it...
Thanks in advance!
Tim
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Post by Calvin on Aug 15, 2013 16:10:49 GMT -5
I dont know any link, but I do have these..... Attachments:
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Post by indycals on Aug 16, 2013 10:32:12 GMT -5
Jim: Thanks for sharing! I was surprised when I found out Russ and Lance both felt Clark won. Tim As do I. For the record, I did not believe it until I listened to the radio broadcast. According to the timing and scoring reports on the broadcast, in a very short span, Clark went from the lead/lead lap to THREE MINUTES behind Stewart - that is TWO LAPS!. Even with the video evidence of both Stewart and Hill passing Clark on the front straight, Stewart would still have had to pass Clark TWO MORE TIMES in a very short span (or be at least VERY close to passing him a second time). I just don't see that happening in the short time that Clark went three minutes down. The confusion seems to start around the time when Al Unser crashed. This gives credibility to Andy Granatelli's claim that Clark's scorer missed scoring him for a lap thinking it was Clark that crashed, and not Unser. Some argue that had that been the case, Chapman would have raised a stink as well, but consider this: Who was Chapman's new driver at Lotus in 1967? You can't tell me that in May of 66 that Chapman wasn't already thinking adding Hill to his team the following year - he simply may have kept quiet in order not to cause a rift with Hill. Tom Carnegie also thought that Clark won the race. That said, I would never support an effort to strip Hill of his win - this is all part of the charm of Indy  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 11:30:10 GMT -5
Everybo0dy.....According to Bob Laycock, "Hill didn't a pass any car on the track day. He took the weirdest lines thourgh the turns all day." Ever Graham Hill said Victory Lane, "What I'm doing here?"
Russ
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Post by mjjracer on Aug 16, 2013 14:29:58 GMT -5
That said, I would never support an effort to strip Hill of his win - this is all part of the charm of Indy I watched that race on closed circuit at a theater, and I was sure Clark won. Of course, as much as I like Graham, Jimmy was my hero, but still. It just didn't seem right. And Michael, you are so right. The "charm of Indy". Something special, memorable, almost always happens at the 500. Sato's spin last year, Dario crashing right in front of me just as Tony takes the lead. Tracy passing Helio just before the yellow for the win (he he! - sorry). Sachs pitting for the worn tire. That's why I love the place. MJ |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 16, 2013 16:18:45 GMT -5
Oh NO! here we go again! This story always make my head hurt....I'm a very simple person, and I get to confused very easily....especially when is comes to scoring issues.
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Post by clm1545 on Aug 16, 2013 16:34:12 GMT -5
I was listening to the race in 66, and after Al crashed I thought WTF, Clark went from the lead to third, that made no sense at all. Clark, however is hardly the only driver to get hosed by IMS and USAC, there are lots of stories. Why did Chapman and Granatelli not make a bigger stink? Remember this was the reign of
the famous, or infamous, Harlan Fengler, who was not exactly a drinking buddy of either Colin, or Andy. A protest would not have gotten anywhere, and Fengler had a long memory.
Food for thought, Clark ran 5 Indy 500s. Without politics, and a strange tire deal by Chapman, he might have easily been a 4 time winner, in his first 4 starts.
Take Care
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!@#$%^&*(*)++"?><)(*&^%#@!@#$%^&* RATS! My sincere sympathies...the slap on the face must have been stepping on the rear cover. Ouch! Sorry Tim.
