Marmon Wasp plans?

[macsparty]

All right, let's take this back to the beginning: 1911.

Does anyone know if the Motor Racing Replica News 23 Nov/Dec 1994 issue has plans for the Marmon Wasp in it? It's featured on the cover, and I saw one on ebay once, but came up short. Has anyone ever attempted to build one of these? Could be quite a project! I have wondered/hoped if anyone would produce a kit, what with the 100th anniversary coming up and all.

[drdave]

I've got the issue. I planning on trying it. Russ Bundy said to use the Gangbusters kit for the frame and drive train. Maybe I'll do a WIP build and post it here.

[macsparty]

I'd be very interested in seeing that. But what is the Gangbusters kit?

[Admin]

I would also love to see a wip of this as for the Gangbusters kit i think that is the old MPC/AMT 27 Lincoln

[Deleted]

Dr. Dave,

Get to work on the WIP.......... (or have I missed it??)

Bill <><

[Deleted]

I know this is an old post..but did anyone ever end up producing the Marmon Wasp? This is a MUST have for me at some time...no matter how many times I go in that museum, looking at that car sitting there, is like looking at the Titanic all restored and in person. Well if its not available yet, I hope one of those resin casters keeps it in mind..I think it would sell really well.

[racerbrown]

hey ron, check out the garage section on lance seller's website.
if lance does it, it will be worth the wait.
duane
www.lsresincars.com/page2.html

[Deleted]

Thanks...it looks like a great start to it, I hope it gets completed and offered.
Ron

[Deleted]

I feel that the Marmon Wasp is one of the most neglected Indy cars in model form of all time. With the exception of MA and Carrousel 1/43 scale offerings. I have both my original "Rod & Custom" (Yes I am that old) and MRRN plans and started my own model in brass a few years back (too long neglected). I am now back on the jag and have been working up drawings of the engine in CAD thanks to some great recent pics on the net. And hope to soon detail out the frame and running gear.

The one area of mystery and total photographic neglect however is the transaxle. The MRRN article gives a general outline of the size but no details, while the MA 1/43 scale model has minimal detail and is not really that accurate. Not long ago I happened upon a photo of an unknown "Barn Find" rear end that I know is a Marmon unit however it is only a top view. Both helpful and yet raising more questions.

Does anyone have any photographs of either side or both of this elusive animal???

My hope is to scratch build the Wasp in 1/18 scale to go with my Carrousel 1 collection.

OH, and by the way, the June 1965 Rod & Custom magazine article is very cool, they make their model out of paper and even have the layouts printed and build it off the Lincoln frame and running gear. Interesting too in that they chose to paint it Rust Orange with White outlines around the numbers, and gray tires! Yes there is a color shot of the finished model.

Thanks for listening, John

[Patrick]

I couldn't remember where I saw the Rod & Custom article. Could you post it please? I have the MRRN mag. Good too! MPC Gang Busters Lincoln is a must for ease. You don't really need to wait for Lance! Get to it!

Patrick

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[Deleted]

Great drawings - THANKS!

This should be doable with Evergreen sheet plastic - if we can find the Lincoln.

Thanks for posting.

Mike

[clm1545]

My computer skills are limited. How can I download the deawings?
Take Care
Craig

[Patrick]

Thanks FrontyFord!

Patrick

[indydog]

Aug 27, 2010 21:02:17 GMT -5 clm1545 said:

My computer skills are limited. How can I download the deawings?
Take Care
Craig

Open the pic, right click on it and then click "Save picture as".

[clm1545]

Thanks, I have them saved but when I enlarge them, they are lose too much detail.

[Deleted]

Sounds like you are just downloading the thumbnail. You need to click on the image to open it in Imageshack, then you can right click it to download.

[clm1545]

That's better, Thanks.

[Deleted]

Thanks frontyford, nice clean scans. I hope our fellow modelers will try this one out, it looks like a fun build.

I also remember that Rod & Custon did a paper build for the 1923 Fronty Ford model T speadster that cam in 5th place in that years 500. The old AMT 3in1 kits used to have the Frontenac heads for the model T Ford. Wush I could find some now.

Anyway, still looking for that Marmon transaxle!

[Deleted]

Here is about a far as I have gotten in laying out the Marmon engine. I hope to soon break this down into construction drawings.

John (first image so let's see how it goes.)

[cobra276]

I've just started the John Day 1/43 Marmon Wasp and am ready to start paint. Anyone know the accurate yellow?

Dave

[lance]

The car in the museum is not the right color from what I have been told. Supposedly it was originally more of a orange color, (the tail was also slightly different in shape). I plan to build and paint mine as it appears in the museum as nailing down the actual color would probably be nearly impossible. Lance

[2lapsdown]

Lance, are you still working on the kit that was on your web site?

John

[professor]

I have about 100+ detailed photos of this car that were taken in anticipation of designing one for Carousel One. I will pay them forward if needed. I also have drawings.

Tom O.

[indycals]

I've been through the wrong color for the wasp thing and I've come back to believing the wasp was in fact yellow. First off - it doesn't make much sense to call it the wasp if it's orange. Second, one of the arguments for it not being yellow was how dark it appears in photos of the time. But a couple of years ago I saw a good write up on black and white film and how throughout the the years, b&w film would render certain colors differently and in fact back in 1911, black and white film rendered yellow very dark!

[Deleted]

So true Michael,

Like when I first built the 1/20 Scale MPC Paxton/STP Turbine. All color photos of the car show it a bright Fire-engine Red, when in reality it was a Day-Glo Red. Like when I discovered the "real" color on the 1928 Miller was not silver and black the way the museum has it painted. The car was originally to be driven by Wilbur Shaw for the AC Delco company whose colors were red and navy blue. You can tell the B&W photos show it. When I spoke to Louis Meyer in 1994, I had that fact confirmed for Chris.

Best to you!

Russ

[lance]

It is my understanding that the origins for this debate come not from photo's or memories but from the time of its restoration and maintenance since. Either way, most people (myself included) have a mental image of the car as it is today and I am therefore comfortable with painting it yellow. Yes I do hope to finish it someday. Lance

[macsparty]

I've also wondered about the Wasp name. Some argue it's the pointy tail, but I've never seen an orange wasp!

Likewise, from my days of doing WWI airplanes, that was something frequently noted about WWI era photos, that yellow photographed very dark, nearly black.

[alwaysindy]

Gentlemen:
It is always interesting to me to realize how big the good 'ole USA is, and how many different viewpoints there are. In east Texas, a wasp is an orange /red creature. A yellowjacket is yellow/black. After searching the net, there seems no consensus on what these flying insects are called, and there are a bunch of them. I also don't know anything about photography, much less what it was like in 1911.
Having said that, I had little to no interest in the first Indy winner until "frontyford" posted the great scans (THANKS!). Seeing it in the color photo as off orange just nailed me.I don't know why, but the yellow just doesn't do it for me.Since then I have gotten the gangbusters Lincoln on EBAY (($20 incl.frt.) and it will be one of my next projects.
Moral of the story, it can never be proven one way or the other so do what you think best and what you like...
Tim
...and I heard him exclaim as he rode out of sight "Merry Christmas to ALL and to ALL a good night!"

[SWT500]

Why not make it yellow on one side and orange on the other?!?!? Split it right down the middle.

I've written to Donald Davidson at IMS to get his opinion on this long standing issue. Certainly I will let you know about his reply.