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Post by Calvin on Dec 6, 2013 14:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by flashman on Dec 6, 2013 16:26:24 GMT -5
Hi Calvin,
Marshman's Lotus is something I am interested in doing some day, as I have the Cady decal sheet for that car. What reference photos are you using for this build?
Cameron
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Post by indycals on Dec 6, 2013 17:35:52 GMT -5
Decals will be included... you won't think twice about your Cady sheet  |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 6, 2013 17:50:02 GMT -5
What reference photos are you using for this build? Just anything I can get my hands on......I also have drawings on this car. Plus all the help in the world from hard core enthusiast.....so I'm very well takin care of.  |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 12, 2014 12:20:54 GMT -5
Just though I should get back to monkeying around with this.  Its going to take a lot of monkeying around with this engine cover....you guys should be glad that I get to be the monkey, monkeying around trying to make this work. I'm too lazy to research, so I'll put my professional researchers to work.....what kinda trans-axel did Bobby Marshman's Lotus 29 have? Would it be the same as Clark's Lotus 34? |
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Feb 12, 2014 17:14:34 GMT -5
Cal, you truly are a Machine. This Marshman car is looking great. Your Hydro boat is just awesome.
Sandy
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Post by billj on Feb 12, 2014 17:20:23 GMT -5
Great subject. It will be hard to make that engine cover. The L29 was not made for an engine that wide and once they stuck the cammer into it the engine covers had to be made to accommodate the big cam covers. The cover bulged out quite a lot from the width of the overall body. I've often thought about how to make that look right and considered some heavy Evergreen cut into some angles and straights and then ground down to get the rounded effects on the outside. Don't let me influence you though! I am sure you have a plan that will be better:)
I have no idea what the tranny was, I saw the car in person before but took no note of the tranny. Back in 64 the engine was the eye catching feature to me.
Keep us posted on the conversion, I definitely look forward to building a Bobby Marshman car.
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Post by jamesharvey on Feb 12, 2014 18:33:47 GMT -5
You will think that I am nuts but I converted this kit into the 1966 Graham Hill winner and made an engine cover out of 3X5 card stock. I learned this a long time ago before Evergreen and sheet plastic was available. I made paper patterns and transferred them to the cardboard. I wet the cardboard so I could bend and shape it getting all the bulges. I took a try or two to get it right but it looks pretty good. If you use the smooth side, you get a surface that will hold primer and paint like plastic. I have even used the cleaners cardboard from my shirts and cereal boxes that have a finished side. I used a Ford engine and transmission that Lance produced once upon a time.
Good luck.
Jim
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Post by clm1545 on Feb 12, 2014 19:12:27 GMT -5
I still think that a vacformed engine cover would be the way to go, on this and the Lotus 34.
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Post by Calvin on Feb 12, 2014 19:27:08 GMT -5
I still think that a vacformed engine cover would be the way to go, on this and the Lotus 34. If doing it in resin doesn't look possible then its worth trying vac form....I would have to buy that new Vac Form machine from micro mark because my current home made set up wouldn't be able to do it.... www.micromark.com/compact-vacuum-forming-machine,11244.html .........................................Proboards dont like commas ^ in links so you will have to copy and paste this to see the page. |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 12, 2014 19:32:00 GMT -5
Oh what the heck!.....guess what I just bought......
...I'm getting tired of my current junky vac form silly set up.....
I want the machine to do the work for me so I can be lazy....
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Post by indycals on Feb 12, 2014 19:52:03 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOO Vacuform parts except windscreens! |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 12, 2014 20:00:15 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOO Vacuform parts except windscreens! I dont know....I might start vac forming EVERYTHING!  But seriously I just plan to use it for windscreens. |
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Post by clm1545 on Feb 12, 2014 21:05:36 GMT -5
It says that it will do .040 thickness. That would be more than enough. A resin cover would have to be quite thin and thin resin tends to warp easily. Whatever you end up with, it will be very welcome.
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Post by clm1545 on Feb 12, 2014 21:09:03 GMT -5
You will think that I am nuts but I converted this kit into the 1966 Graham Hill winner and made an engine cover out of 3X5 card stock. I learned this a long time ago before Evergreen and sheet plastic was available. I made paper patterns and transferred them to the cardboard. I wet the cardboard so I could bend and shape it getting all the bulges. I took a try or two to get it right but it looks pretty good. If you use the smooth side, you get a surface that will hold primer and paint like plastic. I have even used the cleaners cardboard from my shirts and cereal boxes that have a finished side. I used a Ford engine and transmission that Lance produced once upon a time. Good luck. Jim Not strange at all, Jim. I have seen cardstock used many times, and have used it myself in the past. |
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Post by billj on Feb 13, 2014 2:09:43 GMT -5
The good news is that both the Foyt and Marshman 29 Lotus' were using the same apparent engine covers. The bad news is that the Lotus 34's covers are a bit different in style although bulged out for the same reasons. Looking forward to all of them!
It's getting harder to find those Lotus kits! We need to start a campaign with Round2 to bring that one back, with the Watson too!
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Post by alwaysindy on Feb 13, 2014 11:09:20 GMT -5
Calvin:
On my 65 Parnelli car, I used clear plastic cut from a clear product cover (it was a Bic pens package)...it held paint very well and looks good IIMSS...I agree with Craig; once you start sanding it becomes apparent how thin this part must be around the injectors...I agree with Michael to a point because vac bodies are too flimsy (I.e. Ken Glen and Union Vac)...however, I think some vac formed parts would be easier to produce and work with...just my 2 cents...
Tim
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Post by billj on Feb 13, 2014 14:29:14 GMT -5
What if the part was formed with clay and vacuum formed and then perhaps layered, like 2 layers maybe glued together for thickness/strength and then fit closely to the body and once fit, create a mold of the engine cover(s) and cast in resin. To me (and I am no expert) it would seem the easiest way to get the right shape and have the end product be in resin.
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Post by Calvin on Feb 13, 2014 17:17:03 GMT -5
I currently have the engine cover fitting over the engine....so I might have it under control?
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Post by pje on Feb 13, 2014 18:56:59 GMT -5
I’ve gone over all my Lotus material and can’t conclusively determine what type of transaxle was used in the converted Lotus 29/2 that Bobby Marshman drove. The Lindsey Hopkins team did a lot of the winter testing for the upcoming 1964 season using the Lotus 29 chassis with the 4 Cam engine and I do have a photo of one of the cars with a ZF installed. From a modeling point of view though, it might be easier to use the Collotti as used in the AMT kit for the Marshman car as this photo of the rear of the car shows. It uses a different push bar (attached to the transaxle) than the Team Lotus 34 cars (attached to the rear chassis member) used when they very early on abandoned their transaxle covers. Paul Erlendson Attachments:
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Post by Calvin on Feb 15, 2014 15:56:19 GMT -5
an early day on-board camera!  |
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Post by firstturn on Feb 17, 2014 21:22:43 GMT -5
Ohh mannn... I have been away for a few years (was heavily involved in a personal family tragedy). First post on this board though. I have just returned hoping to find some new info on the Marshman driven Pure Firebird Lotus and ran smack dab into this. Been collecting parts and info for several years now. I have many, many reference photos including some good close ups of the oil tank and trans cooler scoop on the lower rt. trans cover. I will be happy to post if it is thought they might be of any help. Modeling is very time consuming to do right, and the scratchbuilding is time and a talent I have not. If I construct but one model I wish it to be this car... and to hear of a new decal sheet is even more incredible. Hats off to you men! Thank you for your time...
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Post by indy on Feb 17, 2014 22:15:28 GMT -5
Welcome to the board!
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on Feb 17, 2014 22:55:45 GMT -5
Welcome! Feel free to post any info you would like....everyone on here loves facts, stats, pictures, and nitty gritty detail.
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Post by firstturn on Feb 17, 2014 23:41:49 GMT -5
Thank you men... a very few here. If they are redundant or well viewed, my apologies. I do not know who to credit, found on the web. Testing at Indy late '63 or early '64. Note early exhaust system... |
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Post by firstturn on Feb 18, 2014 18:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by firstturn on Feb 18, 2014 19:48:35 GMT -5
It has also come to my attention (as many of you may be aware) that there were actually two Pure Firebird Spl.s, he first one being heavily damaged in a crash at Milwaukee (I believe). If nothing else, the body work was repainted later in the year as indicated by this photo showing the number without the red outline/shadowing it had at Indy. This can also be seen in another color shot I have somewhere showing the side of the car... You may notice the exhaust was later painted white. I saw the car in competition at Phoenix Int'l. Raceway in the fall race. Bobby Ball Memorial I think, the Jimmy Bryan was the spring event. This is how I remember it as a 10 yr. old boy. My dad was a local (Manzanita Speedway) stand out at the time and we found Bobby in the pits after the race, sitting on a tire of the car. he was using some very colorful expletives talking to someone about the mechanical failures the car had experienced. I obtained his autograph and was surprised to see it said "Bob" and not Bobby... Sadly in a week or so he was gone. That made quite an impression on me as he was absolutely my hero, and I have been fascinated with this car my entire life. Attachments:
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Post by indy on Feb 18, 2014 21:24:23 GMT -5
Great story!
Jordan
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Post by billj on Feb 22, 2014 19:51:35 GMT -5
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Post by billj on Feb 22, 2014 19:52:38 GMT -5
A few more pics of the Lotus 34 in the 64 race.   |
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