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Post by raceparke on Jul 6, 2011 15:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by harveythedog2 on Jul 6, 2011 18:53:30 GMT -5
That would be something! I will keep an eye on this one. I know a guy that was doing a Lola F-5000 in 1/20th scale not too long ago. The same guy did several great Indy cars in 1/25th resin too. Just saying...  Stu |
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Post by Patrick on Jul 6, 2011 20:41:01 GMT -5
LORDY!  I have been thinking about this for SO-O-O long. O'all this is an excellent job! Critically, (I mean this ONLY in a positive way.)...the nose seems a bit short for a T333, the tub is excellent, the colored cockpit surround should be a bit flatter on the sides before the rad intakes, and the injection scoop might be a bit longer. Again, I think this is a wonderful job (I wish I did it!!!!!) and mean only to add my eyes and opinion to enhance your work. I am very excited to see what you have done!! I went to nearly all the F5000 races out here on the West Coast and still have many photos of the T330s and T332s that were raced by Hobbs, Lunger, Redman, Andretti et al. I'll scan the Andretti Viceroy car as it raced at Laguna photo for you. Patrick Wow! It looks GREAT! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 21:00:59 GMT -5
Wow, Patrick is going to provide photos of the actual Viceroy car for for Raceparke. How nice is that ! Pretty darn nice IMHO ! I love Open Wheel Racing Modeling. I feel better just being here. Best regards all, Harold. |
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Post by raceparke on Jul 6, 2011 21:40:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the positive comments.
Patrick, your remarks are very welcome. I had thought that the nose needed extending also. I followed the curve of the Eagle windscreen and that may have led to a "fatness" in the area below it. If that is what is you are referring to, I agree it should be flatter. How much work/time I want to put into that area becomes the issue. About the airbox, do you mean it should be longer front to back, or bigger top to bottom? I value your observations.
Thanks again to you all for your interest. BTW I saw Mario at WG 75 F5000. In practice he was unbeleiveable, but his notorious luck struck in the race.
all the best
Dan Parke
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Post by Chris on Jul 6, 2011 22:16:20 GMT -5
Its pretty cool just to covert a AMT Eagle anyway I look at it... I recently downloaded Lola T330, T332, and T333 pics in my fotki research albums, have a look... public.fotki.com/pmodwrks/ some interesting versions inc. Can Am Frisbee... Chris  |
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Post by raceparke on Jul 7, 2011 14:13:29 GMT -5
Those photos were great. The "new" CanAm was something wasn't it?
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Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2011 14:23:07 GMT -5
Sorry guys...if it's not a 2 seat CanAm it isn't a REAL CanAm car IMHO. It's only a converted F5000 car. ;D Yes, I was at the 1st Laguna CanAm back in '66 so I'm a simple purest  . Patrick Oh, as to the scoop...I feel it is just a bit short nose to tail at the bottom only (the top is great). Oh, change the wing support to a thin tube assembly...more accurate. The height seems fine. Damn! It looks so good!!! On to the scanner! |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jul 7, 2011 19:56:10 GMT -5
I'd love to see a model of Redman's F5000 Borax car! And Patrick, I agree, the "real" Can Am was awesome! I used to watch them at Mid Ohio.
John
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Post by raceparke on Jul 7, 2011 21:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by Patrick on Jul 7, 2011 23:44:39 GMT -5
Is it possible for you to draw a "sketch" of the tub in scale? As if I need another project !! But...Damn, it looks so good! Patrick |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 3:52:22 GMT -5
An early Scale Auto Enthusiast magazine, maybe in the first 20 issues, published some really good stuff on the Lola F5000 including drawings.
Yell, if you want me to scan them and post them here. I also have lots of detail photos of restored cars in the Lola T300 range.
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Post by raceparke on Jul 8, 2011 9:22:33 GMT -5
I'd be happy to run a pencil around the tub, if that would be of use. And I would love a scan and detailed photos. Of course, what I originally thought would be a minor rehab may become a major detailed rebuild instead. But that's the profession we've chosen. . . .
BTW lookiong ahead, I have a reference that shows a red airbox though it was mostly raced with a white one with Viceroy shields for the numbers. I plan to do the red airbox version, since those shields are not on the Indycals sheet. Also not on the decal sheet are gold lines separating red and white areas on the body. Any ideas for the gold lines?
TIA
all the best
Dan Parke
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Post by Patrick on Jul 8, 2011 11:41:25 GMT -5
YES! I would like the scanned drawings. I am, however, sorry that I seemed to turn a minor rehab (re:fun) project into one of our "projects" that we seem to do to ourselves. I am constantly starting out on a "simple project" and turning it into...well, you understand! I know that this could make a great kit, but open wheel cars don't sell well, if it isn't a Porsche or Ferrari it doesn't sell well, if it isn't digitally electronic it..., well, you understand! Patrick |
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Post by Chris on Jul 8, 2011 12:11:13 GMT -5
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Post by raceparke on Jul 8, 2011 12:25:10 GMT -5
Thanks so much. Great photos- they will help a lot.
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Post by mjjracer on Jul 8, 2011 13:01:40 GMT -5
Sorry guys...if it's not a 2 seat CanAm it isn't a REAL CanAm car IMHO. It's only a converted F5000 car. ;D Yes, I was at the 1st Laguna CanAm back in '66 so I'm a simple purest I hear you Patrick. My first was Elkhart Lake in 1967. Those amazing orange cars and the Chapparal are forever etched in my mind. After looking at the engine I bumped my head on the Chapparal's wing. I loved FA/5000 and was upset when it morphed into Can-Am2. Still went to the races though. And about the build - I am so impressed that someone would take on this project. What a massive conversion. I have a hard time just getting started on a box stock curbside. I'm watching this one for sure. Great job. Mark |
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Post by raceparke on Jul 8, 2011 14:01:16 GMT -5
Here you are, everyone, let the builds begin ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 16:53:07 GMT -5
Lola T332 HU16   Lola T332 HU48R  Lola T332 HU29  Lola T332 HU52  Lola T332 HU42/2  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 16:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by Chris on Jul 8, 2011 17:29:16 GMT -5
Excellent Stuff, man what ever happened to Scale Auto? I guess good things cant last forever.... Chris  |
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Post by raceparke on Jul 8, 2011 20:45:25 GMT -5
What I see here is the power of this group. To say I am in awe at this rapid accumulation of wonderful reference is a huge understatement. These diagrams and photos I've mostly not seen before and are perfectly focussed on this project. Thank you flyingkiwi and thank everyone who participates. I am so glad I decided to join.
Of course now there are even more details to devise . . . . ;D
I am so motivated to working on and finishing this project.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jul 8, 2011 22:11:52 GMT -5
Man, I'd forgotten how cool those cars really were. They sure make todays "Indy" cars look like, well you know what I mean. Makes me want to see kits even more. Great photos and drawings too!
John
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Post by Patrick on Jul 8, 2011 22:24:21 GMT -5
I remember that Dr. Bertocchi had a cover article of his build of a Lago-Talbot GP car in Scale Auto. I really don't remember this Lola article, however. Thanks guys you're faster at the scanner than I am.
Patrick
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Post by Patrick on Jul 9, 2011 13:50:28 GMT -5
Finally...  that's Mario behind the idiot that stepped back in the way!!!  more period photos when I get back from the store... Patrick |
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Post by Patrick on Jul 9, 2011 19:35:28 GMT -5
mas F5000's...   ...yup, Jim Hall (and son!)   ...John Gunn  ...Eppie Weitzes(? Trevor?)  ...Alan Grant  Dan Fury's 332 with AMC power...could be Penske-Donohue F5000 after being sold.   David Hobbs...Hogan Racing    James Hunt and the great race-off between Shadow CanAm and F1 cars. I don't remember who won... Like I said I need another project, but... Patrick |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 3:50:27 GMT -5
From the English Model Cars magazine. Lola T300.   |
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Post by Patrick on Jul 10, 2011 12:49:51 GMT -5
We are amassing a great bank of info for the F5000 T330-332 cars.
Patrick
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I have been thinking about this for SO-O-O long. O'all this is an excellent job! Critically, (I mean this ONLY in a positive way.)...the nose seems a bit short for a T333, the tub is excellent, the colored cockpit surround should be a bit flatter on the sides before the rad intakes, and the injection scoop might be a bit longer. Again, I think this is a wonderful job (I wish I did it!!!!!) and mean only to add my eyes and opinion to enhance your work. I am very excited to see what you have done!! 
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