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Post by Calvin on Aug 11, 2023 20:03:41 GMT -5
Not really my forte, but if Calvin were to do conversions for the older version, I'd buy a couple. We'll see how things go, but it's on my mind. |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 11, 2023 20:18:50 GMT -5
Time to be brutally honest. First off, yes I love 1/25 scale, it's my preferred scale. But I also can see the big picture and see what's dieing off and what is growing. Our little niche of indycar modeling is so small compared to the mega big F1 modeling community. There is hundreds of thousands more F1 model builders than indycar model builders, I don't even think we would show up on the radar. It would make sense from a business point of view to try and capture that F1 crowd. Indycals most successful indycar decal sheets are the 1/20 Tamiya Lola's I have a feeling that 1/20 indycars is the new trend. I'm definitely going to be looking closely and I'd be more than willing to offer 1/20 scale indycars in the future. Calvin, you nailed it. They want to appeal to the international market. Even though they have distributors for their NASCAR kits overseas, they want to sell directly around the world with these kits. Rick Salvino is also a builder of Tamiya F1 kits himself, so he personally likes that scale. The more I think about it, the more I'm excited about Indycars being in 1/20th Honestly, Indycar modeling has been basically dead for a couple decades. Has the indycar modeling community grown in the last 10 years? I say not! We need to shake things up and try something different. Maybe it will attract new blood into the hobby. |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 12, 2023 13:41:34 GMT -5
Next weekends Salvino's JR Models Facebook live stream they will be talking about the new Indycar kit
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Post by indycals on Aug 12, 2023 15:55:51 GMT -5
Look at it the other way Calvin. I'm an F1 builder, primarily. Why? Because almost all the 1/12th or 1/20th kits made are F1 cars. Make an Indycar model in 1/12th or 1/20th and I'll buy it, no questions asked. Truthfully I detest 1/25th scale, I only build them when I want the car and there's no other option - my Trans Am cars fit that category. So I'm pretty happy with what Salvinos is doing. The 1/25 scale Indycar community is awesome and the builds are amazing. But the cold hard truth is that 1/25 Indycars is not a viable path to running a sustainable business - certainly not exclusively focusing on that. I made a name for myself in Indycars - but I made a living for myself by branching out. While I have a few really good selling Indycar decals, my best sellers are F1 (1/12 and 1/20) and sports cars (1/24) - moving into sports cars has been life changing. It allows me to continue to do 1/25 Indycar products. This announcement is HUGE for Indycar modeling - just not for 1/25 Indycar modelling. Edit: I take that back about it not being huge for 1/25. Because with this announcement it's likely I will be producing even more indycar subjects and anything that gets done in 1/20 will get done in 1/25 as well. |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 12, 2023 15:58:12 GMT -5
Honestly, Indycar modeling has been basically dead for a couple decades. Has the indycar modeling community grown in the last 10 years? I say not! We need to shake things up and try something different. Maybe it will attract new blood into the hobby. I've heard through the grapevine I upsetted some people saying Indycar modeling was basically dead, you're right, I was wrong. I should've said it's on life support. Lol 😂 Yes, we have some very talented individuals making resin kits Our community is SO irrelevant to the overall modeling world 🌎 It's time to try something new, if Salvino's made another 1/25 kit we know for sure the F1 community will never touch it. yes, we'll make a few 1/25 traditionalist happy, but definitely NOT worth to gamble a huge investment for Salvino's,especially with the F1 modeling community thriving like usual. But Calvin, What do I mean by thriving? go on any model retail site and do a search and you'll find many f1 results. |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 12, 2023 16:21:20 GMT -5
And I will continue to support the 1/25 scale community. But it's easy for me as I don't have to invest 6 figures into making one car. My risk vs reward is in my favor. It definitely wouldn't be for Salvino's doing a 1/25 indycar.
So before you ich and complain about Salvino's doing a 1/20 scale kit. Put yourself in their shoes with a big factory and investing over 6 figures into one type of car and supporting several employees lives.
Just because you have a collection of 10 to 50 built 1/25 indycars cars doesn't make it a reason for a growing plastic injection company to invest huge amounts of money into your preferred scale.
IMO there's WAY more potential indycar modelers out there, than active traditional 1/25 scale builders (myself included)
Thank you for joining business reality 101. Where it's not personal, it's just business.
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Post by smbrm on Aug 13, 2023 1:11:36 GMT -5
Another question is will the kit have Road Course wings? Just guessing here… I would think they will offer 2 variations. Road coarse and speedway. One with Honda engine and one with Chevy engine. That covers the possible combinations. It’s up to you to mix and match. I fully agree with the need for road course and speedway wings, as well as Chevy & Honda Engines! |
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Post by quattro on Aug 13, 2023 11:24:55 GMT -5
I have to admit to being a thrown by this initially.
1/20th.....
I gravitated towards the wonderful 1/25th scale scene through this forum.
These Indycars seemed to be all 1/43rd, 1/25th and the 1/18th ready made material.
And the 1/25th is a lovely scale to work at.
Knew nothing about Salvino JR and just assumed one hearing this that they would be
1/25th given their vast NASCAR range in 1/24th.
So this is going to need at mental reset.
Even for me as a 'recent' convert to the scene.
And someone who is busy doing 1/32nd scale cars for a certain related scene.
Dawning of a new era.
Kick start into a new age of Indycar modelling.
Bring the F1 model building crowd into the fold.
And perhaps more interestingly bring new blood into the modelling scene.
If they get the pricing right, how many Dads will be buying a kit at a meeting for their kid?
Suspect these will be not too detailed and there will hopefully be a decent amount
of conversion and details parts coming to cater for all tastes.
The 1/25th won't vanish. Think an Indy winner will always sell at that scale.
And any 'classic' Indycar subjects will still sell at 1/25th.
Guess I will set a demarcation point for myself in terms of eras and a cohesive collection at scale.
Kinda exciting. And doing something the current F1 mob are not doing
whilst their own popularity is so high.
Guess I am going to need more shelving.....
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Post by raceparke on Aug 13, 2023 16:31:01 GMT -5
Thank you all for your interesting viewpoints. It’s good to see that an activity that I have been practicing for a long time will continue to develop, albeit in a direction I would not have foreseen.
I have 30 some built 1/20 open wheelers that I have in storage and would like to unload, not because I’m no longer a fan of that type of model, but due to space limitations. I made a conscious decision to no longer pursue every 1/20 GP kit, but rather to rationalize my collection into mostly 1/25 for open wheel and mostly 1/24 for fendered racers. I also build aircraft models, limited to 1/72 scale, again for space reasons. Those sizes fit on my shelves and due to a great variety of talented resin casters as well as traditional kit manufacturers, I’ve got many items in the collection that I’ve been seeking and accumulating over many years. It’s also the case that the smaller scale I’m interested in is more financially accessible. One of Kevin’s, Lance's, or even Profil 24 kits, to name just a few, are generally lower in cost than a resin equivalent in 1/20 scale if the same subject is even available.
That said, I look forward to seeing this kit and am happy that the hobby will continue to evolve and attract new generations of hobbyists to this enterprise that we so enjoy. As I say to Herself, it keeps me out of the bars.
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Post by Gary Davis on Aug 14, 2023 12:17:47 GMT -5
Thank you all for your interesting viewpoints. It’s good to see that an activity that I have been practicing for a long time will continue to develop, albeit in a direction I would not have foreseen. I have 30 some built 1/20 open wheelers that I have in storage and would like to unload, not because I’m no longer a fan of that type of model, but due to space limitations. I made a conscious decision to no longer pursue every 1/20 GP kit, but rather to rationalize my collection into mostly 1/25 for open wheel and mostly 1/24 for fendered racers. I also build aircraft models, limited to 1/72 scale, again for space reasons. Those sizes fit on my shelves and due to a great variety of talented resin casters as well as traditional kit manufacturers, I’ve got many items in the collection that I’ve been seeking and accumulating over many years. It’s also the case that the smaller scale I’m interested in is more financially accessible. One of Kevin’s, Lance's, or even Profil 24 kits, to name just a few, are generally lower in cost than a resin equivalent in 1/20 scale if the same subject is even available. That said, I look forward to seeing this kit and am happy that the hobby will continue to evolve and attract new generations of hobbyists to this enterprise that we so enjoy. As I say to Herself, it keeps me out of the bars. Very well said, Dan. I'm basically in the same boat. |
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Post by woody86 on Aug 19, 2023 10:08:41 GMT -5
Listening to the Live Salvinos broadcast this morning. A lot of discussion around the IndyCars announced last week. Full detail with lift off bonnet. Engines will be different between the Chevy and the Honda. Fully licensed.
There will eventually be a road course version released. Initial release will be speedway and Newgarden winner and Sato speedway. Price on their site will be $79.00 including shipping in the US. Should be up for pre-sale later today. Production runs will be limited. After the initial release they plan on one per quarter. Also mentioned a detail kit would be in the works later.
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Post by Calvin on Aug 19, 2023 12:02:44 GMT -5
Live stream here. fb.watch/mwHArzyPAn/?mibextid=RUbZ1fConfirmed details: -1/20 scale -removable engine cover with engine details for both Honda and Chevy. Basically Tamiya like details. -2023 Indy 500 winner and Sato speedway cars will be released first. -Road Course version will come later. Pre orders coming today or by Monday salvinosjrmodels.com/ |
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Post by indycals on Aug 19, 2023 13:53:44 GMT -5
So basically they covered everything I knew - I have no more secrets about this project  |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 19, 2023 19:07:56 GMT -5
If they said $64
People would say, hey that's OK!
Add $15 shipping to the total cost, then all of sudden it looks like a outrageous price.
Sounds about right after all the inflation. And to cover the cost of the umpteen employees, machines, electricity and California taxes
First time we get a high detail indycar kit and People are iching and complaining.
🤦♂️
If they came out with a curbside for $40
People would itch and complain
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Post by woody86 on Aug 19, 2023 20:34:13 GMT -5
I have been stockpiling several 1/20 MFH Indycar kits at $200 each not including shipping. And they were just curbside. Now having the ability to get kits with full detail for $80 bucks delivered looks great to me. And to know that more options will be coming down the road. I am all in.
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 19, 2023 21:23:45 GMT -5
If they said $64 People would say, hey that's OK! Add $15 shipping to the total cost, then all of sudden it looks like a outrageous price. Sounds about right after all the inflation. And to cover the cost of the umpteen employees, machines, electricity and California taxes First time we get a high detail indycar kit and People are iching and complaining. 🤦♂️ If they came out with a curbside for $40 People would itch and complain Pretty much anything I build ends up costing $100.00 if not $800.00 by the time you add it all up. It cost me $35.00 just to get a turbocharger from Shapeways.
If the quality is there and it's all in the one box for $100.00 in my hands, it's a fair deal.
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 19, 2023 21:27:03 GMT -5
These are carbon fibre everything cars. Do the kits come with a complete set of carbon fibre decals?
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Post by Calvin on Aug 19, 2023 21:37:47 GMT -5
If they said $64 People would say, hey that's OK! Add $15 shipping to the total cost, then all of sudden it looks like a outrageous price. Sounds about right after all the inflation. And to cover the cost of the umpteen employees, machines, electricity and California taxes First time we get a high detail indycar kit and People are iching and complaining. 🤦♂️ If they came out with a curbside for $40 People would itch and complain Pretty much anything I build ends up costing $100.00 if not $800.00 by the time you add it all up. It cost me $35.00 just to get a turbocharger from Shapeways. If the quality is there and it's all in the one box for $100.00 in my hands, it's a fair deal.
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Post by indycals on Aug 19, 2023 23:32:48 GMT -5
IMO there's WAY more potential indycar modelers out there, than active traditional This cannot be empahsized enough. If Salvino really wanted to go for the biggest current Indy car market he'd be making these in 1/64. |
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Post by pje on Aug 20, 2023 9:31:48 GMT -5
Well, I got my preorder in for the Newgarden kit. Anyone know about a release date? I have seen one, but maybe it was talked about somewhere.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 10:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 10:12:25 GMT -5
Well, I got my preorder in for the Newgarden kit. Anyone know about a release date? I have seen one, but maybe it was talked about somewhere. Paul Erlendson It says in the description, “Pre-Order” Shipping Q1 2024 - Josef Newgarden Team Penske 2023 Indianapolis 500 Winning Car. This 1/20 scale unassembled model kit is produced including a fully detailed engine compartment and all other feature to build the winning car. LIMITED QUANTITIES AVAILABLE |
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 10:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 11:20:19 GMT -5
I got my Pre-order in for both kits
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Post by indy on Aug 20, 2023 13:32:58 GMT -5
Any members here going to be retailers for this kit?
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 13:52:05 GMT -5
Any members here going to be retailers for this kit? Jordan Art said he was going to be... Speaking of the shop, I expect to have some in the store. And if you’re interested in them, don’t sleep on it because I am pretty sure demand is going to outweigh supply, at least on the first few releases. I'll let Indycals talk about his situation when he's ready |
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Post by 1961redlegs on Aug 20, 2023 16:47:07 GMT -5
I went ahead and preordered Taku’s car. He’s really grown on me over the years and this will be a fun livery to build.
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Post by Calvin on Aug 20, 2023 17:12:15 GMT -5
I went ahead and preordered Taku’s car. He’s really grown on me over the years and this will be a fun livery to build. Looking forward to it. 😃 |
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Post by AJ on Aug 21, 2023 8:43:37 GMT -5
now to get a 2021 Pagenaud car in the works......
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Post by steveracer on Aug 31, 2023 10:23:54 GMT -5
I just pre-ordered two kits at the high msrp - I want to support the hobby and my favorite racing series.
I plan to modify the basic design on one to make it more appealing - to me at least. LOL.
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