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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 15:17:24 GMT -5
Get your airbrush ready, we need to build a shell car! 😂
Jordan! A shell car!!!!! Our favorite logo. 😍
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 18:36:40 GMT -5
After thinking about this for a couple hours, this race is a perfect example of fans not putting themselves in race control shoes.
If you are race control, do you just let it finish under yellow and upset the fans that the race didn't finish under green or do you try to finish the race under green with the intention the fans will be happy but totally unforseen, the fans decide all of a sudden they dont like finishing under green?
What the hell does indycar do???
There's no way race control can predict the future.
Race control always gets hated on for letting race finish under yellow.
So this time they try everything in the world to finish under green and fans still itch and complain!!!
I guess you can tell the drivers to not crash into each other! 🤦🙄
Just watch they won't throw a red next year and let it finish under yellow and fans will say "you should've threw the red!!!"
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 18:48:01 GMT -5
The thing I don't like is drivers playing chicken 🐔 with the pit lane entrance wall. It's just a matter of time someone gets pushed head on into the blunt edge of the wall.
Also my heart sunk when the wheel went flying out of the track! I just knew we'd be seeing headline news on TV with titles like SPECTATORS KILLED BY FLYING WHEEL in Indy 500. Then stupid politicians get involved and everything goes to crap. Fortunately that nightmare didn't happen.
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robh
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Post by robh on May 28, 2023 18:54:05 GMT -5
For me, the most satisfying thing about the race was Graham Rahal's 22nd place finish.
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 18:59:11 GMT -5
For me, the most satisfying thing about the race was Graham Rahal's 22nd place finish. Lol 😂 no one even realized he made up two laps and actually finished. Let me phrase it better, Graham Rahal finished 22nd after DNQing For everything that went against him all month he did very well |
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Post by pje on May 28, 2023 19:08:11 GMT -5
As I was discussing with Michael on Facebook, I’m really tired of this attempting break the tow snake thing. As I recall, Simon Pagenaud used it a lot in the last laps of his victory and Marcus Ericsson has taken it to the extreme.
My two cents.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 19:40:35 GMT -5
As I was discussing with Michael on Facebook, I’m really tired of this attempting break the tow snake thing. As I recall, Simon Pagenaud used it a lot in the last laps of his victory and Marcus Ericsson has taken it to the extreme. My two cents. Paul Erlendson And Newgarden took it to the SUPER extreme almost driving down pit road on the last lap. |
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Post by pje on May 28, 2023 20:36:21 GMT -5
As I was discussing with Michael on Facebook, I’m really tired of this attempting break the tow snake thing. As I recall, Simon Pagenaud used it a lot in the last laps of his victory and Marcus Ericsson has taken it to the extreme. My two cents. Paul Erlendson And Newgarden took it to the SUPER extreme almost driving down pit road on the last lap. I agree, it’s gotten ridiculous. I don’t know how to stop it, but a penalty for crossing the pit entry line would be a start. Paul Erlendson |
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Post by indycals on May 28, 2023 21:13:24 GMT -5
Frankly for the first time in 39 years I feel cheated as a paying customer. This isn't NASCAR. I can see maybe throwing that first red, but the last two were uncalled for. As was aborting the restart that Pato led.
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 21:24:12 GMT -5
And Newgarden took it to the SUPER extreme almost driving down pit road on the last lap. I agree, it’s gotten ridiculous. I don’t know how to stop it, but a penalty for crossing the pit entry line would be a start. Paul Erlendson I won't be surprised if they make that rule |
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 21:24:33 GMT -5
Frankly for the first time in 39 years I feel cheated as a paying customer. This isn't NASCAR. I can see maybe throwing that first red, but the last two were uncalled for. As was aborting the restart that Pato led. You've said that about 1994. You can't escape my memory like an elephant 🐘 |
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Post by indy on May 28, 2023 21:38:36 GMT -5
I watched the last two laps of 2022, ME was a half car width inside the line (for the grass out of T2 and pit entrance out of T4) every time except T4 on the last lap because the caution light was already on.
I really think the solution of letting your car unwind to the wall out of the turn and take a straight line to the bricks while the other car scrubs speed driving not in a straight line. Worth a shot!
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 21:39:37 GMT -5
I think this is the new normal.
Unless we want to finish under yellow 95% of the time.
Unless the drivers stop crashing, nothing is going to change
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Post by pje on May 28, 2023 21:47:04 GMT -5
“Why 33 of the world’s top racing drivers find it impossible to drive down a straight piece of track without running into each other sure beats the hell out of me,” said Dan Gurney.after opening lap crash of the 1966 500.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 21:52:06 GMT -5
I'm not trying to win any debate here, but just trying come to a good solution. But I seriously don't think there is one!
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Post by pje on May 28, 2023 22:02:56 GMT -5
I do hope that Indycar does have a good, open discussion about how this race was handled and come up with set in stone rules about red flags and the pit entrance line.
It will be interesting to hear Michael’s report about what was said at the awards banquet.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 22:10:45 GMT -5
I guess the best question to ask ourselves is, what's more painful, having a race finish under yellow with 6 laps to go or 3 red flags to finish under green?
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 22:12:50 GMT -5
All I know is race fans really cry the blues when a race finishes under yellow.
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Post by indy on May 28, 2023 22:40:16 GMT -5
I am not a fan of red flags at Indy. Unless there is something like SAFER barrier damage like 2014. In fact, I was worried the first red today was more about the errant tire than anything on track.
I felt that way long before I knew the race would finish with my favorite drinking milk.
Think about this race staying yellow after Frozey’s wreck. The ones who stopped around lap 150 (I think) could try to steal the 500 like the gamblers in 2018.
I will have my normal TLDR (too long didn’t read) post in the coming days.
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on May 28, 2023 23:10:53 GMT -5
I finally figured out how to communicate my emotions.
The reason why im less upset about the race is because I was thrilled Newgarden won in the SHELL car (Calvin has a funny love affair with Shell logos for some reason 😄)
But Newgarden jumping into the crowd and they just went nuts with excitement was awesome!
That helped me get over the circus that unfortunately happened with 15 to go.
I just don't want to blame race control for bad officiating. I truly believe they were going to do everything in the world to have a green flag finish. I don't think they want to become the next Nascar
But what do I know? Lol
I just like to assume others have good intentions until proven guilty 😂
Ok, I'm don't typing for tonight, I haven't been this fired up in years.
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Post by Calvin on May 29, 2023 0:47:38 GMT -5
For those that were wondering....it was Robin Matthews car!  |
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Post by Michael Chriss on May 29, 2023 1:22:25 GMT -5
For me, the most satisfying thing about the race was Graham Rahal's 22nd place finish. Lol 😂 no one even realized he made up two laps and actually finished. Let me phrase it better, Graham Rahal finished 22nd after DNQing For everything that went against him all month he did very well Scott Goodyear finished 2nd after DNQing. Kicked Mike Groff out of his qualified car. Maybe Groff would have won. I like to think so. |
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Post by indydog on May 29, 2023 3:53:18 GMT -5
For those that were wondering....it was Robin Matthews car! I bet she'll have a new Camaro by the end of the week. |
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Post by quattro on May 29, 2023 4:40:20 GMT -5
Well chaps.
We sat and watched it over here in blighty with Simona di Silvestro and Mark Blundell pitching in with
their expert comments when the adverts came. Even they were a bit confused by it all.
Have to admit I got up and had a real close look at the livery of the winning car on the lift to the podium
and thought 'oh bugger! Its a gradual fade from the red to the yellow. How they all gonna get that done?'
Be interested to see the solutions everyone comes up with.
The Kirkwood spill was horrible. You could see he did everything he could not to hit Ferrucci.
Think even without hitting the striken McLaren, he was heading for the wall at turn 2.
And then that wild ride. All hail the halo.
Thought O'ward was a tad naive and so glad his car did not mount the
barrier and start hitting the fence posts.
And that loose tire.
Calvin is right. That could have had long and far reaching consequences.
In my ignorance I thought you could not cross into the pit in lane unless pitting or avoiding something ahead.
Think that needs looking at.
Think the series needs a ruling. Something like a caution or red three laps from the end means you do finish under yellow.
That way the fans know what is what and stop grumbling about it.
The whole situation puts so much pressure on the drivers and made it all so frantic and desperate at the end.
Yellows breed yellows because it presents an opportunity and they all go mad for it.
The need to balance spectacle and excitement and reason.
Racers will be racers but I thought some lost their sense of reason in the restarts.
Think Cindric and Newgarden kept their heads and worked it right to be there when it mattered,
Worthy winners I think. But would have loved to see Foyt racing take a win.
Stand out moment for me was TK on the grass passing McCoughlan.
Credit the both of them for keeping it together and the grounds maintenance staff for the smooth bit of lawn!
Hope you chaps all had a great weekend if you were there.
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Post by arcticwolf on May 29, 2023 8:59:43 GMT -5
I must have missed a news bulletin. I didn't realize the Indy 500 was being run by NASCAR.
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Post by Chris on May 29, 2023 10:37:10 GMT -5
To me the finish had an air of impropriety ! Why? Because it looked like Penske set it up so his car , his team on his track got handed the win. Look at that last Lap and a half farce...Ericsson had no chance, all he could do was Block Newgarden and hope he was still ahead at the line, Penske wanted another closest finish ever situation. So Newgarden gets the 8 million dollars or so the winner gets but did he win it in competition or by the situation set up by the TracK Owner, Team Owner and INDY 500 Owner..?? It will go down as another controversial race just like the other 4 or 5 like 1976? Fans would have accepted the race ending a lap and a half short or under yellow but ....... My 2 Pennies on the race.. Chris
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Post by sam198 on May 29, 2023 10:57:24 GMT -5
This years running seemed to encapsulate a "Best of Times, Worst of Times." for me. Super thrilled for the win by Josef Newgarden. A generational talent, driving for Penske, it is almost required that he win the 500. Going into the stands was cool to see. He deserved a better race to win.
First off, ditch the "Professional" signers for the National Anthem. Jewel's rendition was a 9.1 on the Steven Tyler scale. It's Memorial Day. Get a choir signer from one of the armed forces, they always do a great job.
The first red flag, I had no problem with. The other two were a mistake and it mostly resulted in a lot of torn up equipment.
Marcus Ericsson popping to the TV cameras about his unhappiness with the last red flag was not needed. Yes Marcus, you had a point, and you were upset. You still came off as whiny. In that situation, either be diplomatic, or don't talk. Others will fight that fight for you. Also, you fenced Pato so your high and mighty bit falls flat in my view.
The type of racing seen was not good. The weaving is very off-putting and is going to get someone killed. I still don't care for the aeroscreen. I know the announcers sang its praises when Kirkwood get inverted, but the screen didn't have anything to do with his safety there. They were an overreaction to a freak incident and they will one day cause a problem, unintended consequences are a thing. Anytime the cars are made safer, the drivers are made more dangerous.
Bring back the apron. Indy has become a one groove track since 1993, and with all the cars so speced anymore, it is a drafting drag race to turns 1 and 3. This race was a culmination of such things.
The series needs to ask itself a lot of hard questions. A race like that shouldn't happen again.
My $.02
Scott
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Post by alwaysindy on May 29, 2023 11:21:32 GMT -5
As it happened, I had similar thoughts as Chris…Penske getting his own break, and Newgarden with a “tainted” win… However, if you go to Pato’s slide into the wall, you get a different perspective…1)Ericsson pinched Pato Big Time…he knew that Pato was 3/4ths by him when he turned in…2)At that point with 8 to go, a yellow comes out and everybody cruises to the finish because there are not enough laps to clear the track…3)NEWGARDEN was in the lead!…4)Everybody would NOW be screaming “Penske wants to let “his guy” win!” …so either way, I don’t think there were any advantages given, and Penske was in a no-win situation… The wheel in the grandstand would have been the biggest disaster in auto racing since LeMans ‘55…If you have ever been to the 500, you know that the odds of a wheel OVER the wall are tiny, and the odds of it missing a human being is even tinier…300,000 are pretty much everywhere… The Drive Of The Day was:Palou…from 28th to 4th in the Modern Era of spec cars is crazy good…he could have said “I don’t care, I’m going to McLaren” but instead drove his butt off…incredible! I love to watch him race… The Indy 500 has a heritage of “woulda, coulda, shoulda” from DePalma in 1912, Shaw in 1941, Vuky in 1955, Clark in 1963, Clark in 1966, Mario in 1981, Tracy in 2001, and Hildebrandt in 2011…that’s part of it’s mystique… And I have been a Newgarden fan for a long time…  Tim |
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Post by indycals on May 29, 2023 11:24:58 GMT -5
To me the finish had an air of impropriety ! Why? Because it looked like Penske set it up so his car , his team on his track got handed the win. Look at that last Lap and a half farce...Ericsson had no chance, all he could do was Block Newgarden and hope he was still ahead at the line, Penske wanted another closest finish ever situation. So Newgarden gets the 8 million dollars or so the winner gets but did he win it in competition or by the situation set up by the TracK Owner, Team Owner and INDY 500 Owner..?? It will go down as another controversial race just like the other 4 or 5 like 1976? Fans would have accepted the race ending a lap and a half short or under yellow but ....... My 2 Pennies on the race.. Chris Penske would NOT do that, and keep in mind Newgarden was set to be a red flag victim on that second one. That said. The optics are really bad. |
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Post by Calvin on May 29, 2023 12:54:43 GMT -5
I know how to fix all the controversy. Go back to the Pacer lights system! LOL Just like the olden days when everything was PERFECT!  |
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