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Post by lolagt00 on Jun 24, 2020 23:03:00 GMT -5
Fellows, Was watching YouTube last night of Wide World of Sports 69 Indy (very good, especially the slo-motion cornering shots) when it hit me: There are NO (not that I know of) 1/24 kits from the '69 race! Where's the Lola-Offy 4wd of Donohue, Eagles were different, Brawner-Hawk, Lotus (withdrawn), Bobby Unsers was a Lola I believe, Ruby was a '67 and so many others. ONLY slot cars of Foyt's Coyote and maybe some Lancer Gepharts were made. WHY THE BIG GAP of no kits?
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Post by Calvin on Jun 25, 2020 2:09:08 GMT -5
The Indycar modeling niche is extremely small these days. At best theres probably no more that 1 thousand people out there that would consider themselves as an "Indycar model builder".
I highly doubt any plastic model kit manufacturers would ever develop and sell an Indycar from 1969. Model kit manufacturers have developed and sold Indycar kits from the 1950s to the late 90s, but I don't know if those were ever considered successful (?) The only indycar kit that seems to get reissued is the Monogram Kurtis Kraft.
Lance Sellers has issued a 1969 winner resin kit a few years ago, also a 69 eagle. But developing Indycar kits are extremely hard and time consuming and the ROI is difficult at best.
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Post by mgbrown on Oct 7, 2022 8:46:19 GMT -5
Rumored is that a USA based maker of NASCAR model kits has done some work designing a Lotus 64 in 1/20, but it was shelved due to work on the NextGen NASCAR kits. Let's pray that the project will be revived when all of the NASCAR kits are completed.
There is a Lotus 64 in the Barber Motorsports Museum in Birmingham, AL if you have never seen one up close and personal.
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Post by illeagle10 on Oct 7, 2022 9:18:03 GMT -5
To add to Calvin's post, most resin and plastic car models are in 1/25 scale. Very few in 1/20th, fewer in 1/24th. 1/18th is mainly die-cast, there are some in resin, mainly parts. As for the Lotus 64, which is a beautiful car. The Lotus 64 never raced and didn't even qualify at Indy. Might be another reason it was shelved. Model companies need look at mass producing to make money. So they have to look at the sell-ability of a kit. I don't know that a Lotus 64 would appeal to the plastic model masses, compared to the low number of the Indycar modeling fraternity. Remember with big model companies it's about making money! I know I would be in for a Lotus 64 if one were to come about, but the chances are slim to none.
Jim
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Post by Chris on Oct 7, 2022 13:04:19 GMT -5
I found when researching the 69 Lotus 56B Offy project mb2501.proboards.com/thread/2024/1969-lotus-56b-offy that it was a transition year where the cars were changing from "Cigar" shapes to "Wedge" shapes the application of Aerodynamics was in its infancy, Many car owners like Granatelli had no idea what was going to be fast or win. Granatelli brought 14 different cars , after losing the race by small problems and the ban of Turbine engines, he was determined to win the 500. Looking at what was on the grid on race day You can see there was a lot of trial errors. 1970 was similar things were progressing in the aerodynamics dept but still a lot of conversions and transformations. Not really any lasting successful designs until Gurney brought out the New Eagle in 1972. My 2 cents.. |
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Post by indydog on Oct 7, 2022 17:14:54 GMT -5
I think the best we could hope for with the Lotus 64 is a trans kit for the Lotus 56 (which are relatively easy to get).
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Post by indycals on Oct 8, 2022 2:25:48 GMT -5
Remember with big model companies it's about making money! I know I would be in for a Lotus 64 if one were to come about, but the chances are slim to none. Jim Yep. A car that never even raced is not a recipe for success. |
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Post by Calvin on Oct 8, 2022 14:00:59 GMT -5
A lot of people with absolutely zero knowledge of how a business works are always fast to give their opinions on what a model kit manufacturer should produce. Put yourself in their shoes, would you be willing to invest 10s of thousands of dollars and a year of time into a kit you know that it won't sell? Would you risk your business losing money on something you already know won't sell? In the mainstream world, Indycar kits aren't popular, just because you're interested in them, doesn't mean majority of people are.
I always get emails from individuals wanting me to produce some unknown car that absolutely no one knows about from a club race with very little pictures or information on and they try to sell me that fact that, "everyone will want one" if I made it lol 😆
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Post by indy on Oct 8, 2022 20:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by indydog on Oct 9, 2022 5:30:43 GMT -5
That actually looks doable. |
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Post by lance on Oct 9, 2022 10:13:00 GMT -5
It is very doable, there is a posting on the Indy Car Modeling sight by my good friend and master modeler Mike Hilton showing his build of the Lotus 64 from the Polistil car.  |
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Post by quattro on Oct 9, 2022 12:04:49 GMT -5
I was crestfallen when I realised a few years back that
Manufacturers and casters would never do some of the models I wanted.
Childish hopes of something tasty being released, even at my grand old age, faded.
Consequently, in my limited way, I have taken to scratch building or converting
to add to my collection. And If I want more than one version of a car
I ask a man who can to 'slush'cast duplicates of my master even if not entirely accurate.
1/43rd. 1/32nd or 1/25th.
Maybe one day I will jump in and do my own 3d printed cars.
But, that said, of late, I am also all for supporting our 'local' sheriffs if I can afford it,
even if the subject is not on my top ten hit list. Still beautiful and fascinating and appreciated.
We all have ideas on what we think will sell. I am just as guilty of this as many others.
Does surprise me about the 1968 runners though.
Thought you could get all the Indy winners at some point in time or another.
But then I have only really read back as far as 1976 before going back to the early 70's at Indy.
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Post by Calvin on Oct 9, 2022 14:07:39 GMT -5
I like this picture, because its proof, without a doubt that STP cars were dayglo red. And Not just "red", like half model builders choose. |
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Post by smbrm on Oct 11, 2022 1:04:34 GMT -5
While a Lotus 64 would be interesting it might make more sense to do something like a series based on the Lola T150, T152, T153, due the number of variants you could produce: T150: 2wd & 4wd, Ford v8 na & turbocharged
T152 2wd & 4wd, Ford v8 na & turbocharged, Turbo-Offy, Chevrolet v8
T153 2wd Ford v8 turbocharged
Used by various teams
As always, with Good Indycar ideas, just another one that might not generate the interest?
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Post by mrindy77 on Oct 11, 2022 11:28:54 GMT -5
When I would release a new 1/43 Indy car, I'd typically debut it a the Strictly 43rd show. When I did the 1956 and 1957 Novi's I had them both sitting on the table. A fellow asked me if I was going to do the 1957 car. I said I already did and proceeded to point to it. He said "Oh" and proceeded to walk away. Tire kickers, pud knockers and flakes abound in this world.
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Post by indycals on Oct 11, 2022 16:00:39 GMT -5
It is very doable, there is a posting on the Indy Car Modeling sight by my good friend and master modeler Mike Hilton showing his build of the Lotus 64 from the Polistil car. I have one of those Polistil cars and I have to say this is quite impressive! |
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