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Post by alwaysindy on May 1, 2018 11:12:01 GMT -5
Gioacchino Colombo had designed an engine for Alfa Romeo, the type 158...he went to Ferrari and designed a 1.5 liter v12, that was successful in sports car racing, but not in F1...when Enzo went with the normally aspirated 4.5 liter engine, he returned to Alfa and helped Farina and Fangio to win world championships...he then went to Maserati and designed the 250F in 1953...then in 55, he was hired by Bugatti to design their F1 reentry car... The engine...  Exhaust side...  Anddddddd, he put it in sideways...  10 years later, Honda would have much better luck with this idea...  However, Bugatti was in financial trouble, so money was always a problem...the suspension was unusual (to say the least)...didn’t go to disc brakes...etc... Thanks for looking! Comments, questions welcome... Tim |
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Post by indy on May 1, 2018 14:06:49 GMT -5
Very interesting. The build is coming together nicely. Great job on the paint and the leather simulation, too.
Jordan
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Post by raceparke on May 1, 2018 14:11:20 GMT -5
Tim, very nice so far! The engine is well detailed- it appears metallic. Looking forward to more. It’s good to see you building; I always learn something. I only knew there was this car, not anything about it.
Dan
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Post by Gary Davis on May 1, 2018 15:05:31 GMT -5
This really is looking good Tim. I'm learning a lot here also. How did the engines hook up to the rear axle? Wow...what an unusual and very interesting race car...
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Post by drums01 on May 1, 2018 20:03:52 GMT -5
I love this car as it is not the same old thing... please tell me the brand and is it even available... I got to have one of these...
P.S.: nice build so far, and interesting history!
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Post by racerbrown on May 1, 2018 20:33:12 GMT -5
great job tim!
an unusual car to say the least.
duane
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Post by harveythedog2 on May 2, 2018 13:15:49 GMT -5
Great stuff and looks super Tim. Very interesting story too! Can't wait to see it finished!
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Post by alterrenner on May 3, 2018 6:48:11 GMT -5
I love it! A car so obscure that it only ran one race! I imagine the mechanics threatened to walk away if they had to rebuild that power train!
Complicated! Wow! The over-head cams were driven by a series of gears from the CENTER of the crankshaft up to the cams.
Likewise, the engine output was taken from the center of the engine via gears, off to the side-mounted transmission, then back to the center-mounted De Dion differential! Its obvious that the phrase "no overtime" was never used at Bugatti!
Keep up the good work, Tim.
--Frank
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Post by alwaysindy on May 4, 2018 12:32:01 GMT -5
I am surprised by the interest....I would call this car the “Yunick Sidecar” of F1 history...very interesting technically, but poor results...Drums: it is a 1/24th Fernando Pinto...available on EBay regularly(enter Bugatti under models and kits)... Gary: Frank’s explanation and these pictures should help understand the rear drive...top view...  Bottom view...  Ettore Bugatti died in 1947. His son Roland took over and begin selling motors to the French military, which was fighting a war in French Indochina. The cash dried up after the French defeat at Dien Vien Phu (sp?) But the car was already under way. Colombo wanted all independent suspension: Roland said a Bugatti must have a hollow one piece front axle “to be a proper Bugatti.” So both the front and rear used DeDion type suspension...check this out... ![]() i.imgur.com/eCC0PmG.jpg[/IMGWhat could possibly go wrong?...  Suspension pieces...  . And I’ll finish with this: straight 8’s create torsional stress on the crankshaft...The MB W196 used a straight eight and the camshafts and output drive were taken from the center of the motor (I didn’t know that)... So this car saw 1 race, the 1956 French GP...qualified 18th out of 20, lasted 18 laps until a sticking throttle put it out...at least that was the excuse given... Thanks for looking! Tim |
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Post by alwaysindy on May 4, 2018 12:34:25 GMT -5
The missed picture from above...  Sorry about that! Tim |
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Post by Gary Davis on May 4, 2018 21:23:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Tim
Holy Bananas!!! What a nightmare that suspension would've caused.... Overtime on a race team...NO such thing..lol
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Post by Patrick on May 5, 2018 13:34:54 GMT -5
Wow! Talk about obscure! I love it!
Patrick
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Post by alwaysindy on May 9, 2018 9:18:38 GMT -5
Rolled out of the factory for a few test shots...  Pinto makes the best wire wheels hands down, but they are pricey...  Hard to decide if it is beautiful or ugly...  This is one of those “ should’ve, could’ve” cars...  The front hood scoop is for air to the engine, not the driver...Notice all the scoops pouring air into the car and very little way for it to exit...I wonder if that contributed to the dicey handling?...I also found out that, like the Auto Unions, the frame tubes carried the water from the front radiator to the engine...Now on to the engine... Tim |
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Post by Patrick on May 9, 2018 12:24:39 GMT -5
It's so sweet with those wheel/tire combos. Good use of money for both!!!
Patrick
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Post by indy on May 9, 2018 12:37:10 GMT -5
Even though it was a failure as far as speed, it sure is an interesting car with some pretty unique ideas.
The build is looking good. The aluminum stands out now after it wasn't in the previous pictures.
Jordan
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Post by 1961redlegs on May 11, 2018 11:06:59 GMT -5
My goodness, that’s a beautiful car. You did a great job! Thank you for the history lesson!
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Post by harrymillerfan on May 23, 2018 16:48:37 GMT -5
very nice - can't wait to build mine - always nice to see somebody post a build of one of Pinto's kits you've studied the 251 closely - do you think the chassis rails run forward in parallel ? - or do they pinch in as they run forward ? - or do they curve in - forward of the drivers compartment ? - what do you think  I've seen a half a dozen drawings and I still can't figure it out ..... |
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Post by bobbyc on Jun 8, 2018 5:52:43 GMT -5
That is really fascinating! A complete history lesson and model in-progress photos, all in one place! Is this the best board site, or what?!?
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Post by harveythedog2 on Jun 8, 2018 14:36:19 GMT -5
Tim! How Super Sweet is that? Great work and a beautiful car.
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Post by Joel on Aug 10, 2018 12:50:30 GMT -5
Tim,
I gotta be honest about it, and confess that I've never heard nor seen this car before, so your history lesson was most interesting to me. As for the model, it's spectacular to say the least. Outstanding craftsmanship every step of the way.
Joel
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Post by alwaysindy on Aug 11, 2018 18:47:44 GMT -5
Well it’s time to Finally move on...this engine has 16 spark plug wires and 16 tubes to keep it cool, sooooo, the top is very crowded... ![]() i.imgur.com/kX75PX0.jpg[/ IMG] What could Possibly Go Wrong? The photo etch really sets off the engine compartment...  Maurice Triginant, the greatest French driver of the time, was chosen. He was contracted to Vanwall with a special clause that he could drive any Bugatti that showed up at a F1 event. This was a big deal in Europe at the time. Mercedes had just triumphally returned to F1 in 54 and 55, so now, French honor was at stake. Don’t remember this guy? He has won 2 of the 3 Tripal Crown of Auto Racing...LeMans in 54 and Monaco in 55 and 58...had a 14 year career in F1, at a time when many didn’t make 10... Another view:[ IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zyCfRcr.jpg[/IMG]  Photo etch “EB” and Bugatti badge...  Now on to race day decals and voila! It’s done... Thanks for looking! Tim |
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Post by alwaysindy on Aug 11, 2018 18:51:14 GMT -5
Dang, I butchered that post!
Tim
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Post by alwaysindy on Aug 29, 2018 10:02:15 GMT -5
I am having computer problems, but here goes... The 1956 French Grand Prix is at Reims...Triginant leaves behind his Vanwall drive, and shows up in the Bugatti pits...Bugatti and France are to be vindicated by this unique machine...  Buuuuuuuut, the car is a nightmare...all over the track; try a new, different wheel base....nothing works...  He qualifies 18th out of twenty..the mechanics are lost with this complicated set up..  Triginant calls it quits after 18 laps...the race is notable for being Colin Chapman’s (in a Vanwall) only Grand Prix start...he doesn’t complete a lap...maybe that’s why he became a chassis builder...  After all the hype, the team and car fade away...it will never be raced again... The Pinto kit is nice, but the photo etch is a b*tch...the windscreen is extremely fragile...overall, an easy build of a rare car...comments, questions welcome! Thanks for looking! Tim PS: to Harrymillerfan: I have seen a billion shots of the chassis, but have come to believe it is slightly pinched in front...tj |
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Post by Gary Davis on Aug 29, 2018 11:47:14 GMT -5
Man Tim...Great build and cool history.
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Post by Patrick on Aug 29, 2018 13:10:48 GMT -5
Excellent built my friend!
Patrick
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Post by Michael Chriss on Aug 30, 2018 1:40:09 GMT -5
Fantastic!
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Post by racerbrown on Aug 30, 2018 4:28:18 GMT -5
great job tim! gotta love those old oddball cars!  duane |
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2018 9:44:30 GMT -5
What a wild GP car. It has been fun watching it come together and it turned out very nice. It will be a fun one to open up and show off when people come by and look over your builds.
Jordan
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Post by jj66 on Aug 30, 2018 14:15:30 GMT -5
Very nice Tim! I love it
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Post by Joel on Aug 30, 2018 16:30:43 GMT -5
Tim,
Just an amazing build. The extra detail in the engine compartment really stands out. And the history lessen just goes to prove what a complete neophyte I am.
Joel
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