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Post by racerbrown on Apr 14, 2009 19:50:41 GMT -5
found this in an old book i just bought. i thought it was worth sharing. i wonder what the l-n-r means? duane  |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 14, 2009 20:29:46 GMT -5
Is it me , or is that steering wheel cockeyed? The wheels appear to be straight.
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Post by indy on Apr 14, 2009 20:34:47 GMT -5
Left, Neutral, Right? Cool photo - thanks!
Jordan
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Post by pylonguy2003 on Apr 14, 2009 21:48:51 GMT -5
Great find!! Thanks for posting.
Tim
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Post by macsparty on Apr 15, 2009 6:19:32 GMT -5
Makes me want to go back and do some touching up on my model.
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Post by slidinsideways on Apr 15, 2009 8:42:41 GMT -5
Is it me , or is that steering wheel cockeyed? The wheels appear to be straight. It was somewhat common back in the day to affix the steering wheel so that it would be in the "nuetral" position while cornering. Perhaps the "L-N-R" markings helped Dan to visualize how much steering input or (or lack thereof) he was using to turn the car... |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 15, 2009 10:09:27 GMT -5
That would explain the steering wheel position. If the top spoke was straight up that would probably indicate the correct steering input. Thanks
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Post by pje on Apr 15, 2009 10:16:22 GMT -5
Great photo! What book is this from?
Notice that it is Gurney's 1964 Lotus 34 in race day trim.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by racerbrown on Apr 15, 2009 11:27:49 GMT -5
the book is called "racing cars racing cars racing cars racing cars" by richard hough and written in 1966.
duane
p.s. why two windscreens?
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Post by pje on Apr 15, 2009 12:51:40 GMT -5
Because of the height different between Clark and Gurney, they were always adding to Gurney's windscreen. Looks like they attached the larger one to the original.  Paul Erlendson |
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Post by pje on Apr 16, 2009 18:04:35 GMT -5
 Look what I found in my photofile of the Lotus 34. I had not noticed this before.  I'm beginning to think that this is about something else. Paul Erlendson |
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Post by slidinsideways on Apr 16, 2009 18:29:27 GMT -5
Interesting how Gurney's is "L-N-R" and Clark's is "R-N-L"...I believe this is something other than an oversteer or understeer marker as well...
Perhaps we could talk Russ(oldcalhoun) into asking Gurney what was going on!!!
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 16, 2009 18:32:42 GMT -5
I think the L N R might be the fuel tank selector. I read somewhere that the dual windscreens where a Colin Chapman idea to get more air into the car and keep the windscreens cleaner.
Craig
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Post by macsparty on Apr 17, 2009 10:27:04 GMT -5
I think the L N R might be the fuel tank selector. I read somewhere that the dual windscreens where a Colin Chapman idea to get more air into the car and keep the windscreens cleaner. Craig Maybe so. Didn't they have tanks on each side, "left" "right", kind of like an airplane? Were they able to adjust lean and rich back then too? |
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 17, 2009 10:33:33 GMT -5
I don't think they could adjust mixture, remember that the 63 cars had weber carbs, they were not fuel injected.
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 17, 2009 14:50:16 GMT -5
I just noticed that these were 64 cars which were injected, so my guess is that L is lean R is rich and N is normal.
Craig
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2009 16:50:37 GMT -5
I've seen that photo before in another publication and I seem to remember reading that it was the mechanics' response to an uncharacteristic Gurney "off" reminding him which way to turn the steering wheel!!
Never seen the similar note on Clark's car before. Was that a bit of friendly rivalry, hence the opposite notation?
The double screen was an airflow device to direct an envelope of air over the driver's head. It gave some degree of protection from smaller debris but also smoothed the airflow over the driver to reduce buffeting at the high speeds the cars were reaching. The outer screen had an intake at the front which allowed air to enter but the inner screen directed the flow upwards.
I think Chapman was credited for it's invention but it appeared on a number of cars after the Lotus used it.
Dave
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Post by macsparty on Apr 17, 2009 18:59:11 GMT -5
I just noticed that these were 64 cars which were injected, so my guess is that L is lean R is rich and N is normal. Craig So maybe my guess was right!  |
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Post by SWT500 on Apr 17, 2009 20:46:05 GMT -5
You are correct. That same type lever cost Roger Ward the 1964 500. He told me several years ago that Watson mounted the lever for the race and, simply stated, it was upside down. During the race, Ward moved the lever to what he thought was a leaner setting and was in fact full rich. As you remember, he was much faster than eventual winner A.J. Foyt, but his car was much thirstier and stopped for fuel more often. Without radios, he and A.J. Watson could not communicate and the situation was not discovered until after the race!
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Post by slidinsideways on Apr 17, 2009 21:19:45 GMT -5
This is one of the most interesting and informative threads I have ever read. Thank all of you gentlemen for your input!
Anyone have any more Lotus pics(including Marshman's 29) from the '64 500? I am particulary hungry for race day shots as have been shared above...
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Post by Patrick on Apr 18, 2009 10:57:47 GMT -5
Concerning the note about the mechanic's notation...Gurney did crash one of the Loti. Which side was smushed? As stated...maybe a mechanic's LOL?
Patrick
PS-I must have looked at this photo many, many times and NEVER noticed what you guy have seen. I pride myself as a good photo analyzer and you cool guys have shown me I still must look deeper and look closer! Cool!
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