drdave
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Post by drdave on Jan 24, 2017 14:58:57 GMT -5
Ok, this is a thread I have wanted to do for a long time. It will be a WIP as well as a collaborative effort from those here on the forum. My favorite Indy Car of all time is the 73-75 Gurney Eagles. Probably because it was during this time I was really getting into Indy cars and some of my favorite memories are of the Eagles and McLarens dueling it out. It was also during this time that AMT blessed us with their AMT and McLaren kits. The AMT Eagle Came in three flavors. First was T255 The Jorgensen Eagle  Followed by T263 The Olsonite Eagle  And finally T-265 The Patrick Eagle  All of these kits had issues and were inaccurate, but you could build a reasonable replica of most Indy eagles. As time went by and the cottage resin industry grew Bill Jorgenson begin issuing his resin versions of the Eagles. Over the next dozen or so years Bill issued various versions of both the ’73 and ’75 Eagles. The early ones were trans-kits, later they became full kits, and most recently one body piece trans-kits. For whatever reason Bill is no longer active in the Indy resin community, yet the demand for his eagles still exist. In a recent EBay auction a complete kit sold for over $500 and partial and trans-kit go for around $75. The purpose of this thread is to see if a new, better, and more available eagle can be created in today’s market place. As it goes along I will be posting what I find as well as WIP photos. I would like everyone with an interest to share their thoughts and ideas along the way. So……… Here we go! Dr. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:23:36 GMT -5
Yes! Lead on and I will follow. I don't expect to ever find one of Bill J's Eagles so show me the way.
I just found those 3 in the stash and spotted them on the desk for reference. I also have Michael's decals for STP and the "mystery" Eagle
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Post by alterrenner on Jan 24, 2017 21:56:05 GMT -5
That price is pretty much why I look at E-Bay, and not buy on E-Bay!
My wife really supports my model building, but I know that if I were to spend $500 for a model, I'd be sleeping in the street for a few years.
Still...
--(the other) Frank
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 24, 2017 22:29:00 GMT -5
Calvin had started working on these several years ago. I don't know what happened to that project.
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2017 23:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Jan 25, 2017 8:47:10 GMT -5
This is a no-brainer, one of our excellent resin casters needs to release a new state-of-the-art full kit of the 73-75 Eagles. Period.
Sandy
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Post by speedracer on Jan 25, 2017 12:42:31 GMT -5
I had thought of doing them for a long time. I have many decals from Cady and indycals and WILL do the eagles for myself. If there is interest I'll consider selling them at a reasonable, fixed price. What do you guys think.
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 25, 2017 14:41:14 GMT -5
This is a no-brainer, one of our excellent resin casters needs to release a new state-of-the-art full kit of the 73-75 Eagles. Period. Sandy I have thought that for years, Sandy, but it seems like nobody was interested. There was a reason for that, but I won't go into that here. |
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Post by ttocs78z28 on Jan 25, 2017 18:30:16 GMT -5
I look forward to this build. 1975 was my first year at the Speedway and the winning car is one I would like to build someday.
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 26, 2017 10:04:26 GMT -5
I had thought of doing them for a long time. I have many decals from Cady and indycals and WILL do the eagles for myself. If there is interest I'll consider selling them at a reasonable, fixed price. What do you guys think. If you are talking about producing a kit, or trans-kit, you will find a lot of interest. Those Eagles are the equivalent of a late 50's, early 60's Watson, as far as the number of cars that could be built. |
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Post by speedracer on Jan 26, 2017 12:50:38 GMT -5
Trans kit, bodys and wings, windshield. At least to start.
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 26, 2017 15:06:56 GMT -5
Trans kit, bodys and wings, windshield. At least to start. That would be a big hit with me, as well as many others. |
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Post by eagle36 on Jan 26, 2017 16:57:08 GMT -5
Not to throw any ice water on your plans, but there was no single "1973-75" Eagle. The 1973 car evolved from the 1972 version. The 1974 car had only one, instead of two, fuel ports on the left side, the radiators were moved back a bit, the wheel base was extended by 2 inches to 104", the front track widened by 2 inches, the cockpit narrowed, and the tub somewhat re-shaped.
Some of those changes are pretty minor, but you should be aware of them. I think you're going to need two versions. Which we'd all welcome.
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 26, 2017 18:18:44 GMT -5
Not to throw any ice water on your plans, but there was no single "1973-75" Eagle. The 1973 car evolved from the 1972 version. The 1974 car had only one, instead of two, fuel ports on the left side, the radiators were moved back a bit, the wheel base was extended by 2 inches to 104", the front track widened by 2 inches, the cockpit narrowed, and the tub somewhat re-shaped. Some of those changes are pretty minor, but you should be aware of them. I think you're going to need two versions. Which we'd all welcome. Very true, 2 bodies would be needed, to be accurate. The wings are also different, and the later cars had a lip along the bottom of the tub. But I'm sure you are aware of all that. |
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Post by speedracer on Jan 26, 2017 22:11:02 GMT -5
Not to throw any ice water on your plans, but there was no single "1973-75" Eagle. The 1973 car evolved from the 1972 version. The 1974 car had only one, instead of two, fuel ports on the left side, the radiators were moved back a bit, the wheel base was extended by 2 inches to 104", the front track widened by 2 inches, the cockpit narrowed, and the tub somewhat re-shaped. Some of those changes are pretty minor, but you should be aware of them. I think you're going to need two versions. Which we'd all welcome. No cold water here. I'm not a Eagle expert by any means. I have built many Bill J. Eagles, 73 and 75's and I am aware of some of the differences mentioned above. That is why I found this post so interesting. Thanks drdave for starting it. He said a collaborative effort, don't forget. I have made some resin casts of other cars for myself. Never sold any before. Not sure I want to. Just spit balling it at this point. Here are two cars I made for Wally Dallenbach and Wally Jr. many years ago from the Bill J. trans kit, Cady decals and kit decals.   And Wally and me with the car that is in my collection.  |
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 26, 2017 22:36:39 GMT -5
I say "go for it", if it doesn't work out for you, I'm sure someone else would carry on with it.
My $0.02.
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Post by eagle36 on Jan 26, 2017 22:57:16 GMT -5
+ 1
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drdave
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Post by drdave on Jan 27, 2017 10:46:13 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the inputs and ideas. Yes, there are differences between the 72-73 cars and the 74-75 cars and minor changes each year. So, if you were going to go full force into the project you would have at least two distinct bodies. I’m going to start with a ’73 version since I have several cars of that vintage I want to do. The first thing I thing you need to do is secure as many photos of the project as possible, learn as much about the subject as is available and if possible secure a good, accurate set of prints and drawings if available. There are lots of good reference photos available on the internet, in books and magazines. One I have found very helpful is.  And a set of Bob Clidinst drawings. Bob’s drawing is marked 1/24. So using the 102” wheel base I converted it to 1/25 which made the measurement 4.08”. I used a copier to get the proper scaling.  Next I took the two primary suspects out for a look.  On the left is the AMT body (white) and the right (gray) is the Jorgensen body. Two more comparisons to the bodies.   If you spend some time looking at the bodies you can see some obvious differences. Now let’s compare these to the scaled drawings. First from the top.   Then a side profile shot.   I’ll pause here to get your thoughts and comments. Dr. Dave |
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Post by indy on Jan 27, 2017 13:48:51 GMT -5
That is a great approach getting the group input. We have seen the benefit of all of the eyes here helping guide the master-making process in previous projects. Looking forward to watching this one. No input from me, I am far from knowledgeable about these years of Eagles so I am going to sit back and learn!
Jordan
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Post by Gary Davis on Jan 27, 2017 15:41:29 GMT -5
I'm right there with you Jordan. I've liked the AAR Eagles from the beginning. The 60s and 70s being my Favorite years. This is a very Kool collaboration and I will be soak'in in all this interesting information and RACE history....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 0:34:36 GMT -5
Exactly the kind of post I was looking for. Looks like both are short in the nose. I'll crack open one of my kits in the morning
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Post by indy on Feb 16, 2017 14:13:00 GMT -5
For those of you that do not have Facebook or do not follow IndyCals on FB. These have popped up in the last few days   No details yet but obviously something looks to be in the works. The Eagles appear to be complete drawings and we know he has had the Offy and rear wings available for a while from Shapeways. Looks like good things are coming.... Jordan |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 16, 2017 14:24:38 GMT -5
I'm sure Indycals is just daydreaming like usual.....  |
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Post by pje on Feb 16, 2017 18:15:21 GMT -5
I'm sure Indycals is just daydreaming like usual..... Calvin, your nose is growing!  Paul Erlendson |
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Post by 1961redlegs on Feb 16, 2017 21:54:03 GMT -5
I'm watching this eagerly! Maybe a Sugaripe Prune car in my future!
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Post by fhall on Jan 19, 2020 16:45:45 GMT -5
With several resin molders here, does anyone provide the Left side air scoop at the left rear of the main chassis with the rounded top. I think the STP Eagles and SugaRipe cars used that design.
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