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Post by lance on Jan 16, 2017 22:52:09 GMT -5
This will start to go out in a few days, will start the W.I.P. in a another week or two.   |
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Post by pje on Jan 18, 2017 1:07:38 GMT -5
Thanks for doing this one Lance. I have your original roll out version that I planned on modifying to the race version so I’m very happy that you have saved me some work.
The IndyCals sheet that I have for the Gurney car seems to be for the roll out version and I can’t tell from the site if the sheet has been updated. Will there be or is there a new sheet for Gurney’s car? I would really like to do the car as per race day. I believe that’s the way the car has been restored.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 18, 2017 12:57:36 GMT -5
The Indycals sheet will do the car, as pictured, Paul. That's what I used on my conversion. At least some of the numbers (left side) are not correct for race day. To the best of my knowledge, the restored car is correct for race day, at least as far as the livery is concerned. When in doubt, ask Walt.  |
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Post by lance on Jan 23, 2017 18:23:07 GMT -5
I will be sending Indycals the Race Day body shortly for decals.
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Post by lance on Jan 23, 2017 18:24:19 GMT -5
My build choice for this one, Hoosier Grand Prix.  |
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Post by Chris on Feb 3, 2017 12:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by roadcourse on Feb 3, 2017 15:04:40 GMT -5
There are a few photos, (maybe even the one above), where the car is running the Plymouth stock block that STP was using. Granatelli would later have a Gurney-Weslake in Andretti's McNamara at Castle Rock the following year.
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Post by Chris on Feb 3, 2017 19:58:34 GMT -5
  R&D Unique did make a Gurney Weslake Ford engine in metal! It fits the 68 Olsonite eagle very well, I have been saving mine for years to use in the 69 Eagle.. They are extremely rare so if you find one, suck it up and pay the price!! The detail is very nice including the Injection trumpets, front cover, valve covers (2 sets as shown) and a set of really great headers!! Chris |
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Post by ohnothimagen on Feb 7, 2017 13:55:44 GMT -5
roadcourse, The '69 USAC Eagles that wore the Plymouth logos on the rear wing end plates (Riverside only I believe) were powered by Gurney-Weslake Ford engines. The logos were just promotion for the 1970 Trans-Am relationship AAR had just finalized and, I suspect, maybe a bit of Gurney taking a shot back at Ford for their lack of support for AAR's Can-Am effort in 1969.
Rex
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Post by pje on Feb 7, 2017 14:42:16 GMT -5
Mine just arrived yesterday and looks great. Thanks Lance!
I'm just wanting to make the Indy 500 version.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by roadcourse on Feb 8, 2017 10:23:24 GMT -5
Thanks Rex. Makes sense about the Riverside photos . I'd been wondering why the car didn't show up on entry or result lists as Plymouth powered. The engine did make it into one of the F5000 Eagles in '69 and '70, eventually running in the Questor GP with Savage driving.
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Post by smbrm on Feb 8, 2017 11:44:42 GMT -5
Based on the research I have seen, the thing that gets confusing about the 1969 Plymouth saga is that there were actually two Plymouth based engines. One was a Keith Black stock block with conventional W2 style cylinder heads and the other one was with Weslake heads. The STP super wedge started with the W2 style engine but was switched to the Weslake head engine. Unfortunately one issue was that the body work on the superwedge didn't fit the newer more powerful Weslake version. The car was abandoned for Indy. The Weslake version was used by STP team throughout the season. I'm not sure if the W2 head version was used at any other USAC Indy races?
Any photo I have ever seen of the F5000 Plymouth powered Eagle has pretty clearly shown the W2 head(not Weslake)Plymouth engine, including photos from the Questor GP. Weslake heads look different by virtue of their wider seperation(left/right distance between) intake tracts and equally spaced exhaust outlets. The W2 heads have narrow (left/right distance between) intake tracts and Siamese exhaust ports(middle two), similar to a small block Chevy.
Cheers
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Post by roadcourse on Feb 8, 2017 13:01:16 GMT -5
To add to the mix...what version of engine was used in the F5000 Shadows. They're labeled as "Dodge," (also Keith Black built?) I've seen recent photos of motors which look like the Plymouth Weslake motors, but the heads are clearly marked "Dodge."
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Post by ohnothimagen on Feb 8, 2017 13:09:35 GMT -5
Swede Savage put a Plymouth powered Eagle on pole at 1969 Sebring F-A finale. The engine was a development of Zeus Engineering, and ran on and off during the 1970 F-A season with Hiroshi Fushida and Bob Williams as drivers. I think Williams only drove in the Riverside opener. I've not seen any connection between this engine and either the Weslake or Keith Black engines.
The car Swede drove in the 1971 Quester GP was, indeed, powered by a Keith Black engine.
Rex
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Post by smbrm on Feb 8, 2017 16:32:34 GMT -5
Swede Savage put a Plymouth powered Eagle on pole at 1969 Sebring F-A finale. The engine was a development of Zeus Engineering, and ran on and off during the 1970 F-A season with Hiroshi Fushida and Bob Williams as drivers. I think Williams only drove in the Riverside opener. I've not seen any connection between this engine and either the Weslake or Keith Black engines. The car Swede drove in the 1971 Quester GP was, indeed, powered by a Keith Black engine. Rex Thanks Rex Agree, that the #97 Eagle mkv 503 F5000 was a Zeus Developments entry. I have not seen a reference suggesting it used Zeus Developments engine only that it was Plymouth powered and was not a Weslake. |
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Post by smbrm on Feb 8, 2017 19:09:22 GMT -5
To add to the mix...what version of engine was used in the F5000 Shadows. They're labeled as "Dodge," (also Keith Black built?) I've seen recent photos of motors which look like the Plymouth Weslake motors, but the heads are clearly marked "Dodge." Shadows, DN6 F5000 were a few years later, 1975. At least one reference suggests that the 1975 Shadow Dodge was based on a destroked 5.8 litre NASCAR engine. Another reference suggests that the Shadow Dodge was powered by a destroked 340 v8 engine. None of the Dodge Shadow F5000 that I have seen in photos or live, then, or restored have had Plymouth Weslake heads. The Dodge labelled Weslake heads photos that I have seen appear to be the Plymouth heads with a Dodge labelled cam cover. I also observed that part of the cam cover "Id"spears to be missing. I would suggest that engine is the same as or is one of the Plymouth Weslake v8 engines. |
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Post by ohnothimagen on Feb 9, 2017 8:17:09 GMT -5
Swede Savage put a Plymouth powered Eagle on pole at 1969 Sebring F-A finale. The engine was a development of Zeus Engineering, and ran on and off during the 1970 F-A season with Hiroshi Fushida and Bob Williams as drivers. I think Williams only drove in the Riverside opener. I've not seen any connection between this engine and either the Weslake or Keith Black engines. The car Swede drove in the 1971 Quester GP was, indeed, powered by a Keith Black engine. Rex Thanks Rex Agree, that the #97 Eagle mkv 503 F5000 was a Zeus Developments entry. I have not seen a reference suggesting it used Zeus Developments engine only that it was Plymouth powered and was not a Weslake. Somewhere at home I have a Car Life Magazine from 1970, February I think, that has a feature on the #97 Zeus car, and a test of the car written by Allen Girdler (sp) I believe. The story makes it sound like Zeus did the development on the engine, but who knows. The road test involved Swede doing a few practice laps and then turning it over to the writer. The test was obviously done before the Sebring event as there is no mention of it in the story. Rex Okay, I think I did this wrong. Wanted to quote and reply to smbrm. ***Fixed*** -Jordan |
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Post by smbrm on Feb 9, 2017 20:55:30 GMT -5
I am familiar with that article, well, at least I have seen it before. There are sometimes instances where the info isn't always as helpful as we might like. Sometimes you can't find any, sometimes you find contradictions, and sometimes it's just not definitive.
What seems to be, by virtue of multiple sources, was that there were two Plymouth stock block engine designs in 1969, one with Weslake heads and one with more conventional heads. Interestingly, both engines appear to use a similar ancillary drive layout.
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Post by Chris on Feb 27, 2017 13:18:16 GMT -5
  I dont remember if I posted the Weslake Plymouth before but here it is, amazing that the heads are identical in appearance to the Ford... Chris |
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