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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 14:13:52 GMT -5
Has anyone heard if there is anybody out there planning on putting out any newer plastic Indy Car Models? Most of them out there seem to be 80's versions. Anything new from the 90's or 2000 out there?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 15:13:27 GMT -5
Haven't heard news of any new plastic kits. A shame but that's the state of affairs right now. Revell issued some Reynard kits in '98-'00 (Jordan feel free to correct me). There are also several aftermarket decal sheets to build them into different rides though some are very scarce. I've built three of them. The kits are curbsides (no engine/gearbox detail) but build up pretty well considering. My first one. Richie Hearn's Bud Reynard. Decals are Speedline.  Alex Barron's Castrol AAR Reynard. Kit decals.  My latest (and favorite), Greg Moore's Players Reynard. Speedline decals again.  I almost forgot Tamiya put out two '93 Lola kits in 1/20th scale. One was a roadcourse version of Texaco Havoline ride which could be built as Mansell or Andretti's car. The other was a speedway version of Raul Boesel's Duracell car. They are Snap kits but are really quite good builds.  G |
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Post by indy on Apr 9, 2009 16:23:56 GMT -5
Well, the short answer is "no" No mass produced "Indy" plastic kits in 1/24 or 1/25 since about 1990. There were 4 1/32 scale snap kits done around '92 by Revell and then the '93 Lola in 1/20 by Tamiya which was also a snap kit (but a lot nicer than what you think of when you hear "snap kit" lol). Revell did CART ChampCars in 1/25 - they released a 98 Reynard in '99 and the 99 Reynard in 2000 ;D That is not technically an IndyCar with this bunch (regardless of where you sit on the split  ). To the eye, these cars are not too far away from the car that won Indy in '95 & '96 but by this time the IRL was running a drastically different spec of car. My *hope* is that now that NASCAR has priced themselves out of the plastic model business, Revell will be looking at doing the current Dallara or next generation IndyCar that's only a year or two away. I think the Revell Reynard kits show that they have come a long way since their mostly unloved 1/24 80s IndyCars. Jordan |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 19:03:02 GMT -5
It's a shame that nobody has done anything in awhile. I still think there is a market for these cars, especially with the unified series. Hopefully they'll make something soon. Just heard that Sharp is teaming up with Panther for the 500 in the Patron car. Now you talk about a model! That car color rocked last year. Can't wait to see it from turn four in a month.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 19:04:39 GMT -5
Oh and I almost forgot. Those models look GREAT!! I hope I can eventually get mine to look that good.
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Post by stonecold44 on Apr 9, 2009 19:43:14 GMT -5
Oh and I almost forgot. Those models look GREAT!! I hope I can eventually get mine to look that good. Take the advice of DukeCador, Indy and the many other great builders here. I have gotten so many wonderful tips that my models now are much nicer looking than they were from 20 years ago. Your base of knowledge will be better just by reading this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 20:30:43 GMT -5
It already is. I'm a sponge so keep it coming.
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Post by SWT500 on Apr 10, 2009 7:37:20 GMT -5
The Indianapolis Star had a blurb last week saying that the new IRL models were going to be done by Hot Wheels and in 1/24 scale.
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Post by professor on Apr 10, 2009 9:03:59 GMT -5
I saw these models yesterday at the Speedway Museum shop. Curbside with a moderate level of detail. They are $35.00!!!! IMO way too much. They would be a good starting spot for models.
Greenlight no longer has the license to make IndyCars so these are taking their place. They are also making a few other Indy items but they are more toy-ish. mattel is also doing cars in 1/64. History has shown however that the market for scale Indycars is too small to be viable for mass production. No one has ever been financially successful in manufacturing Indy models, there just are not enough of us around and kids today don't care. Mattel will find this to be the case too. Revell is hanging on by a thread and will not do more Indycars, the tooling $$$$ is just too much to risk.
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Post by indy on Apr 10, 2009 10:03:50 GMT -5
Hotwheels  So that means diecast, right? Would be nice if they put out a few thousand pops of that mold in plastic.... just my $.02s Jordan |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 12:16:04 GMT -5
Since I have no knowledge in this are, is it correct that the Hot Wheels ARE diecast?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 13:25:10 GMT -5
I believe they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 20:44:03 GMT -5
I saw one of these "in the flesh" today. Really pitiful compared to Greenlight and way overpriced. When these were first anounced on the IMS site last week, the price was listed as $24.99. Going to the museum store site, they were showing $35.00. Checked a couple of days ago and the $24.99 price had disappeared. You have to wonder at the pricing logic of the museum when Wal-Mart and Target are probably going to be selling these for $20.00 a pop (just my un-scientific guess).
The story on Greenlight is that Mattel brought a sponsorship to the table in the seven figure range. Greenlight couldn't compete with Mattel either in sponsorship funds or manufacturing capacity. Mattel is going to do slot car sets and other IMS "Centenial Era" stuff and gained exclusive rights as part of the sponsorship deal. IMS thus gave Greenlight the heave-ho. Really sad in that Greenlight did some interesting off the wall stuff. Also sad in that IMS couldn't have made a side deal between Mattel and Greenlight to split some of the work. Especially in light of the fact that the Greenlight guy used to work for IMS.
I do know that a couple of die-cast dealers are refusing to carry the Hot Wheels for the fact that they are going to be automatically undercut by Wal-Mart and the other big retail chains.
Oh well, just my two cents' worth.
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Post by professor on Apr 10, 2009 21:57:08 GMT -5
This is precisely why I don't like the Speedway anymore. No LOYALTY!! Kevin Davey is a really good guy and did work in licensing at the Speedway but it is all about more money in Tony's pocket
These cars won't sell that well and I would wait for the clearance sale at Walmart in October. I am in the toy business and know exactly how this kind of stuff works. It's about $$$$ that's all. The guys at Mattel have know idea what Indy is all about. Read the press release, spin,spin,spin.
And now stay tunes for the "Greatest Spectacle in Marketing"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 2:31:18 GMT -5
That's precisely what the gentleman whom I spoke with today said. Wait until September or October and wait for Target or Wally World to dump them for $5.00 a piece. I've been picking up these event cars the past few years and will probably wait awhile before I get an '09. You'd think the Speedway would cut this guy some slack. As you said though, money talks-no loyalty.
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Post by indy on Apr 13, 2009 15:40:21 GMT -5
Any idea whether the Hot Wheels deal would cut out Carousel 1?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 21:33:01 GMT -5
I wonder if the cars will be made in China!!?? Talk about not knowing anything about the 500.
I thought the Greenlight cars were GREAT! I don't think Mattel will even come close.
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Post by professor on Apr 13, 2009 21:37:12 GMT -5
Of course they are made in China as is CarouselOne, GMP, Greenlight, Exoto etc. The $35:00 retail means they cost about $5:00 to make. They will be closed out at that before Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 21:43:29 GMT -5
Yeah well it would be nice if they weren't, but that's the way it is.
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Post by russd on Apr 14, 2009 9:59:38 GMT -5
I have never purchased a diecast model car. How accurate are the bodies? I was wondering if you could rip these cars apart, strip the bodies of paint and decals, repaint/decal them and then add resin parts (like undertray, cockpit, ...)? I'm guessing that the bodies are heavier than a cast resin model so you might need the suspension that comes with the diecast just to support the weight. If it is possible, you could wait until the price drops and get a pile of them, and rework them.
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Post by indy on Apr 22, 2009 23:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 22:16:07 GMT -5
I have never purchased a diecast model car. How accurate are the bodies? I was wondering if you could rip these cars apart, strip the bodies of paint and decals, repaint/decal them and then add resin parts (like undertray, cockpit, ...)? I'm guessing that the bodies are heavier than a cast resin model so you might need the suspension that comes with the diecast just to support the weight. If it is possible, you could wait until the price drops and get a pile of them, and rework them. RussD Hi Russ, I don't know about the Indy Car diecasts, I have not seen one in over 25 years, but builders are always stripping and reworking all other types of diecast cars. Some are easier to take apart, I understand, but you can always get any of them apart. ;D The NASCAR diecast guys do it all the time. Mongo |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 23:53:02 GMT -5
Thanks all for the info on these, I've never seen them before!
Thank you
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Post by indycals on Jun 1, 2009 14:12:26 GMT -5
I bought one of the Hotwheels diecasts last week for sizing purposes. First off, I agree totally that Greenlight got the shaft big time!
A few comments on the Hotwheels 1/24:
Size is virtually identical to Bill Jorgensens 1/25 resin body.
No Honda logos!
Nice use of carbon fibre pattern
Considerably more accurate than Greenlight! I really hadn't noticed just how inaccurate the Greenlight car was until I put the Hot Wheels up next to it. I believe this is due to the Greenlight being modeled after a 2003 Dallara. The biggest difference is the shape of the engine cover and the upper front suspension mounting area.
Better paint than Greenlight (my only Greenlight car is the target car, and it's more of a dark pink, than Target red).
Although I prefer 1/24(25th) to 1/18, it's a damn shame for the diecast collectors that 1/18 is no longer an option.
The 1/12 scale plastic 'toy' car is surprisingly good for what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 20:56:19 GMT -5
I just wish they would come out with a new model of some kind!
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2009 20:30:41 GMT -5
I noticed the Hotwheel diecasts had faux carbon fiber on the wishbones. Is that accurate? I thought IndyCar still ran metal wishbones!?!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 0:12:41 GMT -5
Yea, that's a goof....they are still metal.
Where are these?
"The 1/12 scale plastic 'toy' car is surprisingly good for what it is." please? I haven't seen them yet.
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). To the eye, these cars are not too far away from the car that won Indy in '95 & '96 but by this time the IRL was running a drastically different spec of car.
So that means diecast, right? Would be nice if they put out a few thousand pops of that mold in plastic.... just my $.02s
