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Post by indycals on Sept 8, 2016 14:06:02 GMT -5
www.indycals.net/decals/indy/93mgd.html I am so excited to finally offer this set of decals! I've gotten requests for this for many years and I always declined - the main reason being that the yellow on this car - part of which would require painting - is impossible to match with CMYK printing - thus any decal I print would not match the paint. IMO that would produce an awful looking car that I would not want my name associated with. The other option would have been screen printing, which could match a paint color, but it is expensive and requires quantities that would far exceed that which I would be able to sell in my lifetime - in other words I would have to sell them for at least $40 a set to recoup my investment and actually turn a profit. I've always stated that I will do this car when I can do it RIGHT. I won't produce a decal that I myself wouldn't want to use on a given car. Well, thanks to a mistake I made when printing a couple weeks ago, I discovered that by using orange as an underlay with some white over it before printing the yellow (something that the ALPS supposedly can't do - i.e. sandwiching white between layers of color), I can hit yellows that I could not before. Needless to say I DID stumble upon a trick that will let me do this sandwich effect. The downside: Orange cartridges are LONG out of production and nearly impossible to get. The last ones I found cost me $100 each (vs $6-10 for a regular cartridge). Orange is also finicky and if a design stresses the ribbon too much it can snap and ruin the print job and require reconstruction of the cartridge. So this is NOT a technique I will be using a lot of as I need to make wise use of my very limited orange supply. Older sheets that use the old style of yellow will not be updated. I am using it for this sheet and the new 98 Target sheet, and as a result these sheets are priced slightly higher to compensate for the use of my precious orange ink. New sheets may see this technique used as required. As I tell people when they request something... if I don't have what you need now, be patient - it very well may show up later.  But as I also say... get them while you can! BTW...the best color match for the yellow will be Tamiya TS47 - Chrome Yellow
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Post by gavkiwi on Sept 8, 2016 16:20:58 GMT -5
Michael, thanks for making these ! I remember them being part of an IPMS decal sheet years ago. I will need to order these  |
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Post by harveythedog2 on Sept 8, 2016 17:26:15 GMT -5
Great news! Stumble on some more stuff! LOL
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Post by Calvin on Sept 8, 2016 17:42:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind building this car......if a Tamiya Lola shows up on my front door, I'll do a WIP on it.
I get certain people telling me that I don't hardly do any WIP's anymore....so if a 93 Lola shows up, I'll do one.
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Post by Calvin on Sept 8, 2016 17:43:22 GMT -5
OH BTW! Hey Jordan! LOOK! its has Shell logos! (Jordan and I geek out about Shell logos LOL)  |
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Post by IndyCarModels on Sept 8, 2016 21:41:27 GMT -5
Another piece of art. Thanks Michael
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Post by shunter on Sept 9, 2016 16:03:13 GMT -5
A stunning sheet and a very overdue car...thanks Michael.
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Post by smbrm on Sept 9, 2016 21:50:57 GMT -5
OH BTW! Hey Jordan! LOOK! its has Shell logos! (Jordan and I geek out about Shell logos LOL) Interesting. I was a Shell guy for 30+ years. And yes, the logo can lead to interesting discussions! Cheers Stephen |
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Post by gavkiwi on Sept 10, 2016 9:05:50 GMT -5
Whats the big deal about Shell Logos? are there subtle differences between the logo throughout the years ? I always thought it looked pretty much the same? except for changing a 'few' times throughout the decades?
someone care to explain (to me the Shell Logo has looked the same for as long as I can remember)
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Post by smbrm on Sept 10, 2016 9:42:24 GMT -5
Here is a good primer on the history of the Shell Logo, or Shell Pecten (named after its namesake sea shell). www.logodesignlove.com/shell-logo-design-evolutionSince 1971 the changes have been related to colour, the type font for the word Shell and even the inclusion of the word Shell with the Pecten. Today the word is not normally included with the Pecten for many applications. However that does not mean it is not used, like in the service station graphics. There can also be different requirements for use in printed documents vs. other applications. There is a whole rule book on how to use the branding, and operating companies usually have what is affectiontionaly called a Pecten Policeman that monitors use of the Pecten for compliance with the rules. Such are the intricacies of branding and brand protection. There are specific rules regarding how the branding is used depending on the background colour. Did you know that the coloured Pecten on other than a white background is always supposed to appear with a white key line. Today, as far as I am aware, since 1999, all Shell companies globally use the same graphics rules. However this has not always been the case. Some Shell operating companies in some countries for various reasons at various times were able to exercise latitude in their use of the brand. When changes occur it also takes time to roll out the changes which can lead to differences related to implementation timing. For many years Shell Oil U.S. dsitinctively displayed the logo with two additional lines intersecting at the centre of the base. Perhaps a subtle, but distinctive difference, but also critical in the world of branding. Cheers Stephen |
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Post by Calvin on Sept 10, 2016 16:37:10 GMT -5
Whats the big deal about Shell Logos? are there subtle differences between the logo throughout the years ? I always thought it looked pretty much the same? except for changing a 'few' times throughout the decades? someone care to explain (to me the Shell Logo has looked the same for as long as I can remember) I don't know? Jordan and I just have this funny attraction to Shell logos! LOL |
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Post by Calvin on Sept 10, 2016 16:37:43 GMT -5
Here is a good primer on the history of the Shell Logo, or Shell Pecten (named after its namesake sea shell). www.logodesignlove.com/shell-logo-design-evolutionSince 1971 the changes have been related to colour, the type font for the word Shell and even the inclusion of the word Shell with the Pecten. Today the word is not normally included with the Pecten for many applications. However that does not mean it is not used, like in the service station graphics. There can also be different requirements for use in printed documents vs. other applications. There is a whole rule book on how to use the branding, and operating companies usually have what is affectiontionaly called a Pecten Policeman that monitors use of the Pecten for compliance with the rules. Such are the intricacies of branding and brand protection. There are specific rules regarding how the branding is used depending on the background colour. Did you know that the coloured Pecten on other than a white background is always supposed to appear with a white key line. Today, as far as I am aware, since 1999, all Shell companies globally use the same graphics rules. However this has not always been the case. Some Shell operating companies in some countries for various reasons at various times were able to exercise latitude in their use of the brand. When changes occur it also takes time to roll out the changes which can lead to differences related to implementation timing. For many years Shell Oil U.S. dsitinctively displayed the logo with two additional lines intersecting at the centre of the base. Perhaps a subtle, but distinctive difference, but also critical in the world of branding. Cheers Stephen Wow! Thats hard core! Thanks for the detailed info! |
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Post by Calvin on Sept 10, 2016 16:41:56 GMT -5
BTW I'm still waiting for my Tamiya Lola donation! You'll have bad karma if you don't donate to the Calvin Model Charity Origination of America (CMCOA) |
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Post by indy on Sept 12, 2016 16:10:57 GMT -5
Another nice thing about this sheet is it is a Chevy which would look great with IndyCals' Chevy engine conversion parts for the 1/20 Tamiya kit. Sorry if this rambles on a bit, but here is my pectin two cents: The shape of the pectin is something that did change during Shell's time with Bobby's team. Rahal's team started running Shell sponsorship with what appears to be a US(/NA?) design, as described by Stephen. Like Stephen, I had noticed the change from 1998 to 1999 but researching Reynards from this era led me to an interesting discovery. For CART, Mike Stucker has a great picture on point from Houston 1998. Up through Herta's first win at Laguna in 1998, they had run the US design pectin but by the next round in Houston, the car's pectins had changed to what looks like the current global pectin standard but not the crew uniforms. All photo credit goes to Mike and his website vintagerpm.com F1 cars from this mid-90's era their logos just like the current pectin, probably due to their sponsorship being Euro/UK based. Gibbs cars ran a US style pectin but even then, the base/outline of the pectin did not always look right.  Not sure if Gibbs changed pectin styles in late 1998, like Rahal. 1998 NASCAR race by race references are harder for me to find now. For 1999, Shell was gone as Gibbs was running Gumout with no major oil sponsorship on his cars. The wrong Shell logo/script/etc can be seen in some decals. Some get it wrong even after it was pointed out to the producer before it was screen printed en mass. Shows another advantage of having an decal producer using make to order ALPS decals. Anyways, nobody is perfect so it is not a deal breaker but it was worth pointing out. Michael was gracious in taking the feedback and actually had already corrected the sheet after earlier feedback. We should be thankful we have such a great group of vendors giving us top flight products and still able to humor our sometimes OCD-ness Jordan |
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Post by Calvin on Sept 12, 2016 23:12:46 GMT -5
very interesting! LOL! You know I've notice the different styles in the past but never added it all up and figured out when or where! LOL
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Post by alterrenner on Sept 13, 2016 5:04:47 GMT -5
OK! The Gibbs pectin may be US, and changing, but I'm not going to be the one to walk into a bar full of NASCAR fans and declare that I didn't like the man's pectin!
--Frank
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Post by smbrm on Sept 13, 2016 11:21:49 GMT -5
OK! The Gibbs pectin may be US, and changing, but I'm not going to be the one to walk into a bar full of NASCAR fans and declare that I didn't like the man's pectin! --Frank Since Part of this thread seems to be about being particular about detail, neither would I. Not sure he would understand a question about his wife's jam?! Those darn auto spellers! Cheers |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 1:07:02 GMT -5
Any chance of you making these decals available in 1/18 nscale
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Post by elsapito on Nov 20, 2016 15:03:56 GMT -5
WOW!!! Congratulations, Michael... this gotta have felt like Dr Flemmig discovering penniciline, right? Them ALPS are a box of surprises, aren't they? sometimes good. Cheers!! |
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