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Post by chaparral66 on Oct 19, 2015 23:10:08 GMT -5
Reply to PJE about wanting to model Mickey's 1962 car(s): I too would like to model this car and it appears it may be easier than you think. Looking at my reference of 1960's Indy 500 (which I think was the greatest decade of innovation in the history of motorsport), I believe the Heller/Union 1/24 Brabham F-III chassis is a virtual match and the Revell Indy Lotus (pre 29) is almost nuts on for the profile. The IMC GT40 MK II wheels narrowed considerably with some skinny Firestone's would fill the bill. Now to find that 215 Buick V8: anybody make one, Revell parts packs?
Thanx, John
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Post by alterrenner on Oct 20, 2015 19:45:40 GMT -5
As I recall, the Tommy Ivo "Show Boat" used the Buick engine, four of them, and it's just been reissued.
A virtual group build here?
--Frank
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Post by pje on Oct 21, 2015 0:10:40 GMT -5
Jim and Frank gave me some great feedback on a comment I made on another thread concerning my longtime dream of building a 1962 Mickey Thompson Harvey Aluminum Special driven by Dan Gurney. John suggested using the old Heller Brabham F-III chassis, the wheels from a Ford GT MKII and Frank suggested the Buick engine from the Tommy Ivo “Show Boat” dragster. Well, great minds think alike as I already have the Brabham and Show Boat kits for this purpose.  I hadn’t thought about the IMC Ford GT kit for the wheels, but I have one of those too. I have a pretty good photo library of the three cars including every book and magazine that ever had an article about the car. That includes the June 1962 Car and Driver with the cutaway drawing of the car. I’ve started an AutoCAD drawing bringing in a couple of photos that are as close to a plan and side elevation that I have, but that’s about as far as I’ve gotten. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on building this car please jump right in. Paul Erlendson |
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Post by davidm2 on Oct 21, 2015 7:19:13 GMT -5
Hi Paul,
There 4-view drawings and an article about the car in Model Cars magazine (a British mag later taken over by Model and Allied Publications (MAP)) published in the August 1963 issue. Copies of most of the MC articles and drawings are available on line; searching for Model Cars Magazine or MAP should turn them up. If you cannot find it email me and I will send the drawing page over...unfortunately I only have the drawing page and do not have the accompanying article.
David M
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Post by beardogracing on Oct 21, 2015 8:48:53 GMT -5
Hi Paul, There 4-view drawings and an article about the car in Model Cars magazine (a British mag later taken over by Model and Allied Publications (MAP)) published in the August 1963 issue. Copies of most of the MC articles and drawings are available on line; searching for Model Cars Magazine or MAP should turn them up. If you cannot find it email me and I will send the drawing page over...unfortunately I only have the drawing page and do not have the accompanying article. David M Here ya go   |
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Post by lance on Oct 21, 2015 9:01:50 GMT -5
The drawings above are of the 63 car and are not very accurate. I have not seen drawings for the 62 car but Oldphotos may have them.
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Post by clm1545 on Oct 21, 2015 9:27:54 GMT -5
I checked with Walt, a while back. He doesn't have drawings for the 62 car.
The Buick engine in that car is much different that the Buick in the Ivo kit. That was a short lived GM aluminum small block which was later sold to Rover, in England, I think. A small block Chevy, or Ford would be closer in size and shape IMO.
I would love to build that car, but wheels, tires, and engine would be a challenge.
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Post by chaparral66 on Oct 21, 2015 10:23:49 GMT -5
RE: Mickey Thompson's 1962 car, the photos from the British mag show the 1963 "Roller Skate" which I believe had the same 1962 chassis but the three 1962 cars had a quite narrower body. I tried to buy a Revell 1/24 Lotus Indy slot car about 2 months back on eBay that I wanted to make into the narrow 62 car. Does anyone know why Revell did such a bad job copying a Lotus 25? It is much closer to the BRM that Revell also did and except for the engine cover has a very close shape to the 62 Thompson car. The 62 cars had the narrow Halibrands (narrowed IMC GT40 MK II) and the 63 car had the tiny 3-spoke wheels that I bought Dynamic cast 4-spoke slot car wheels to approximate (some photos of the 63 cars appear to be 4-spoke)but photos are funny especially black and white. My 2-cents.
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Post by Calvin on Oct 21, 2015 10:37:26 GMT -5
If Paul finishes this I will do the Lotus 34!
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Post by oldphotos on Oct 21, 2015 12:11:56 GMT -5
The 1963 Rollerskate cars were all new chassis and used Chevy engines
The 1962 car were updated with new bodies and Chevy engines for 1963 Al Miller qual. one of these car for the race in 63 and finished in the top ten. The second car driven by Bill Chessebourg didn't qualify. This car #85 was at Indy This year for the Vintage exhibition the Fri and Sat before the race.
Of the 3 new Rollerskate car only 1 Qual. with Duane Carter driving the #83. the #82 with Masten Gregory driving just missed the show, the car was fast enough by a last second adjustment to the fuel injection just before pulling out to Qual. was a wrong adjustment as the engine was down on power.
the 3rd Car a white #81 never got sorted out to try and make the Race Graham Hill was one of the drivers who tried these cars during the month.
I do have Bob Clidinst drawings of the 1963 Rollerskate which is what Lance Sellers used to make his kit of this car.
Oldphotos
Walt
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Post by eagle36 on Oct 22, 2015 11:06:50 GMT -5
I checked with Walt, a while back. He doesn't have drawings for the 62 car. The Buick engine in that car is much different that the Buick in the Ivo kit. That was a short lived GM aluminum small block which was later sold to Rover, in England, I think. A small block Chevy, or Ford would be closer in size and shape IMO. I would love to build that car, but wheels, tires, and engine would be a challenge. Jo-Han did the Olds F-85 engine, I have one. Of course, it is the traditional '60s two piece block with molded on oil pan, and automatic transmission, and the hole for the wire axle to pass through. The heads are integral with the intake manifold. The Ivo engines are the big block, although a touch under-scale, so the fuel injection system would work. I could swear South East Fine cast makes one in pewter. The old Revell Lotus 25 is noticeably wider than the AMT Lotus 29, and was intended to be a slot car. The BRM was a chubbier car in real life, thatn the Louts, and translated better into a 1/25 slot car body. |
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Post by pje on Oct 25, 2015 12:17:45 GMT -5
I agree with you on the engine, but I do wonder why the heads/valve covers on the Thompson engine look so much more like the old "nailhead" Buick engine versus what is supplied in the kit. Thoughts anyone?  Paul Erlendson   |
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Post by Calvin on Oct 25, 2015 15:59:17 GMT -5
Are going to make a resin kit out of these, Paul?
Put me down for one as I would like give one to Craig as a gift! He really wants one to build Gurney's car!!!!!
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Post by pje on Oct 25, 2015 17:22:55 GMT -5
Are going to make a resin kit out of these, Paul? Put me down for one as I would like give one to Craig as a gift! He really wants one to build Gurney's car!!!!! Ha! If anything ever comes of this Calvin, I'll need a professional resin caster!  Paul Erlendson |
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Post by pje on Oct 26, 2015 0:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by Gary Davis on Oct 31, 2015 16:00:15 GMT -5
Man Paul...that is a cool site. Thank you for sharing it. I thought I saw a picture of Jan Opperman(in the floppy hat) on the wall behind the White #1 Sprintcar. This would be a very enjoyable Museum to visit.
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Post by Patrick on Oct 31, 2015 16:22:07 GMT -5
Very interesting site. Nice collection!
Patrick
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Post by pje on Nov 1, 2015 1:08:33 GMT -5
Haven't a clue where this will ever end up as this is the best I have right now. I've got a long way to go to have some accurate drawings of this car, but here's my first step. Help and suggestions are always appreciated. Paul Erlendson  |
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I hadn’t thought about the IMC Ford GT kit for the wheels, but I have one of those too.
