A.J. 1989

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Ok, an opinion poll! Since I found out that the decasl I have are for the '89 car, I asked Michael if the decals were actually sized for the 1988 T-8800 kit and he said they are. I have both the T-8800 and T-8900 Lola kits. I can use either one to do the model.

Question: Should I go ahead and use the T-8900 kit?
(Michael thinks there should be no problem except for the orange panels on the side pods. I would probably have to trim those down a bit.)

TIA
Mongo

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Any thought as to painting the panels Coyote Orange(aka Poppy Red)?

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After replying to your email, I looked at a photo of the car, and the 1988 kit is more accurate. I just went and looked at an 89 and I have and there is no question I would use the 88 kit! Now what is weird is that I could swear the Brayton car was an 89... I had two unopened ones, I opened one up and it was... an 88! The 89 I have is the one that is supposed to be the 90 Michael Andretti car. I could SWEAR there was a version of the kit that had a slightly different cockpit surround (and I could swear that was the Brayton car), but I couldn't fine one in my parts box. Even if there is one, it would still have the problem with the sidepod farings (and an extra radiator opening on the top of the left sidepod), so I would still go with the 88 car.

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Thank you, Michael. The '88 kit it is! ;D And, the orange panels will work as is, which makes things just a touch easier.

Thanks for your (and everyone's!) help! I am still fairly lost with that period of Indy car racing and it is great to have the minds here which know the period so well.

Mongo

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Mar 21, 2009 11:25:28 GMT -5 indycals said:

After replying to your email, I looked at a photo of the car, and the 1988 kit is more accurate. I just went and looked at an 89 and I have and there is no question I would use the 88 kit! Now what is weird is that I could swear the Brayton car was an 89... I had two unopened ones, I opened one up and it was... an 88! The 89 I have is the one that is supposed to be the 90 Michael Andretti car. I could SWEAR there was a version of the kit that had a slightly different cockpit surround (and I could swear that was the Brayton car), but I couldn't fine one in my parts box. Even if there is one, it would still have the problem with the sidepod farings (and an extra radiator opening on the top of the left sidepod), so I would still go with the 88 car.

Mike,
Some of the Brayton Lola kits have the 89 parts and some do not. There is no way to tell which pieces are in the box from the outside (that I know of). The so called 90 KMart Lola kit always has the 89 pieces.
RussD

[indycals]

Thanks Russ - glad to know I wasn't imagining it!

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Thanks to all! Now, can anyone post a picture of the car on race day?

TIA!
Mongo

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Hi Guys,

I am still looking for a picture of this car on race day. Anyone help?

Thanks!
Mongo

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Mar 21, 2009 11:25:28 GMT -5 indycals said:

The 89 I have is the one that is supposed to be the 90 Michael Andretti car. I could SWEAR there was a version of the kit that had a slightly different cockpit surround (and I could swear that was the Brayton car), .

I have a question on the kit for the Andretti T-8900 please, is the kit really different from the Mario or other Lola T-8800 cars? I didn't see much of a difference in the kits.

Thank you

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Jun 21, 2009 23:30:57 GMT -5 clem4135 said:

Mar 21, 2009 11:25:28 GMT -5 indycals said:

The 89 I have is the one that is supposed to be the 90 Michael Andretti car. I could SWEAR there was a version of the kit that had a slightly different cockpit surround (and I could swear that was the Brayton car), .

I have a question on the kit for the Andretti T-8900 please, is the kit really different from the Mario or other Lola T-8800 cars? I didn't see much of a difference in the kits.

Thank you

I just opened my T-8900 Kmart/Havoline kit and my T-8800 Provimi Veal kit. From the first look I can see that there are differences. The openings on the top of the side pods are *reversed*. The rear corners and front edge of the engine cover are changed. The nose looks slightly more pointed. I don't know how much other areas are different.

I would really love to see a set of good decals for the Provimi kit! ;D

Mongo

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I would really love to see a set of good decals for the Provimi kit! ;D

Ditto,
me too,
I would buy that.

How else can I say it?

David

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I have the Amway, Kmart and Havoline kits. Here are some of the observed differences that I can see.

First of all ... The decals in the Havoline (89 Lola) kit are not correct. They are the team markings for the car as it appeared in the 1990 season, but they are configured to fit the T8900 pieces. The picture on the box is the 1990 Lola, not a 1989 car. AMT did make a replacement decal sheet to do the T8900 markings, but these were offered on a mail order basis. Copies of this sheet appear on eBay on occasion, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one.

If you have a copy of the Amway car, you have an equal chance that the pieces are either T8800 or T8900 kits. As far as I can tell there is no way to know for sure which pieces are in the box until you open it up. I have 5 Amway kits, 3 have T8800 pieces and 2 have the T8900 pieces. All of them were sealed when I purchased them and I got each of them from separate sources.

The primary differences between the T8800 and T8900 kits is the body work and engine covers. Mongo has covered these differences in the post above. I'd like to add that the radiator exit ramps on the top on the sidepods are different on both sides for both kits. The T8800 kit has a single large exit on the drivers left hand side and a smaller ramp on the right hand side. The T8900 has 2 openings on the left hand side and a single opening on the right hand side. The right hand side opening is smaller than the corresponding opening on the T8800 car.
The top T8900 engine cover is slightly more rounded than the T8800 and this is reflected in the area behind the drivers headrest. On the T8800 this area is basically flat on top of the fuel cell. On the T8900, the shape is slightly higher and there is a groove directly behind the drivers helmet. The T8900 nose is more rounded than the T8800.
The aerofoils (flugals?) on either side of the sidepods are different. The T8900 ones are lower and have a small "flick up" on the
end. There is a small NACA duct on the top of the T8800 engine cover that is not on the T8900. There are 2 small vortex generators that are placed directly in front of the radiator intakes (flush with the bottom of the chassis) included in the T8900 kit.

RussD

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Thanks all! It was the box art for the kit that was throwing me off. The T-8900 for Andretti was mostly white with the black sides on the side pods i believe. I didn't compare it to my Provimi Lola.

Yes, I would like to see decals too for the Provimi

Oh, does anyone happen to have drawings showing the differnences between the 88, 89 and 90 cars by any chance please?

Thanks again all.

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As to drawings, Bob Clindinst would be my obvious choice to check with. I do not have his catalog, so I do not how many *modern* cars he has done, but he is THE MAN when it comes to Indy car drawings!

Mongo

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Thank you! I'll check it out