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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 21:00:01 GMT -5
....prior to 1949 are a darker metallic blue than was originally thought. We all know that the 1949 Winner was a darker Metallic Blue, but most think that the 47 and 48 winners are lighter blue. But all of the photos are black and white and the 1949 Winners B/W photo has the same shade as the 47 and 48 Winners. But so far I've found Film footage that shows clearly that for sure the 1948 Blue Crowns were a darker shade just like the 1949 Blue Crowns. I just found a small clip of the 1948 race that is actually overexposed, but the blue still shows darker.    |
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Post by clm1545 on Jun 10, 2014 22:14:27 GMT -5
You must be feeling better, but it's going to take more than that to convince me. Time for a little nitecap, I think.
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Post by indycals on Jun 10, 2014 22:27:51 GMT -5
I have seen no evidence whatsoever that the 47/48 Blue Crowns were as light as the car in the museum. That paint is from the early 50s when it ran as the Mobil Oil car. Every bit of evidence I've seen, whether it's B&W or color (which is VERY hard to find from 47/48) is consistent with being the same darker shade from 1949 (from which there are EXCELLENT color images). The darker color is also consistent with blue-crown blue.
BTW, Calvin, that second shot also conclusively shows the sliver number.
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 22:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 22:32:03 GMT -5
BTW, Calvin, that second shot also conclusively shows the sliver number. I wasn't able pause it still that good to take a screen shot like usually do, but you guys get the point..... the number is silver. BTW those screen shots are from a 1991 ESPN program celebrating the 75th year and I've never seen that clip of Mauri's car. |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 22:41:18 GMT -5
I'm sure this does mean anything but the blue in this Black and white pic is a lot darker than all the other B/W pics I've seen  |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 22:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by indycals on Jun 10, 2014 22:54:09 GMT -5
1949  1950    There is no reason to think that a paint that we know was used in years AFTER these pics is indicative of what was run in 1947 or 48. Nor can we be sure that the paint on the museum car hasn't faded over time. These pics are the best evidence to the color of the blue crown cars. The color and contrast in these photos is nearly perfect despite their age. |
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Post by indycals on Jun 10, 2014 22:56:54 GMT -5
Except that Rose's car never had that number/color scheme - not a good source IMO.  |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 23:03:28 GMT -5
Except that Rose's car never had that number/color scheme - not a good source IMO. Yeah that's true LOL |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 10, 2014 23:14:26 GMT -5
Plus all of the early ads and packages were very dark blue   But I did notice that this mid 50's package is light.  They painted (restored) this older Blue Crown sponsor car really dark. www.flickr.com/photos/artamia/4293546162/ |
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Post by indycals on Jun 10, 2014 23:23:53 GMT -5
Specifically the 47-49 cars represented Blue Crown Husky Spark Plugs. Compare the package colors of the Husky Spark plugs with the 50's spark plugs  with the Blue Crown car with original 1950s paint next to the 1949 car.  |
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Post by SteveK51 on Jun 11, 2014 14:01:38 GMT -5
Calvin, pop that ESPN 75th anniversary video into VLC player, turn on deinterlacing with the method set to Yadif 2x and try grabbing those screens again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 8:22:05 GMT -5
Lou Moore's son lives on Auburn Street in Indy. He might have some photo's of the cars. I used to talk to him while walking my dog.
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Post by Calvin on Jun 16, 2014 18:18:51 GMT -5
I got the First Turn Productions "Dominate Blue Crowns" DVD today and I sure DID NOT see any light blue paint jobs on the 47/48 Blue Crowns. For those that still think they are light please show us a picture of one back then that was light blue. |
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Post by billj on Jul 15, 2014 9:33:58 GMT -5
I would paint one with Ford Guardsman Blue over a white primer. One of these days I am going to get the '47 car, the year I was born:)
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Post by Calvin on Jul 15, 2014 14:28:29 GMT -5
I would paint one with Ford Guardsman Blue over a white primer. One of these days I am going to get the '47 car, the year I was born:) I'm glad that someone agrees! Everyone else just wants to lift their nose at me and believe the museum paint job for some reason? |
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Post by raceparke on Jul 15, 2014 16:57:10 GMT -5
I used TS 54 on mine. Just because. I think it looks OK.
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Post by clm1545 on Jul 15, 2014 21:00:48 GMT -5
I would paint one with Ford Guardsman Blue over a white primer. One of these days I am going to get the '47 car, the year I was born:) I'm glad that someone agrees! Everyone else just wants to lift their nose at me and believe the museum paint job for some reason? Well, Calvin, you did post some pics of green Blue Crowns.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 21:49:17 GMT -5
Okay.....let's see who's good with Photoshop.
There are certain points in the photos we can assume are constant (or close) while other elements may or may not change. The new rubber for each of the photos is a good strong black. I think it is safe to assume the rubber's black did not vary significantly from year to year. I do not trust the white due to the many variations of white. There is also few specular highlights to measure color balance with (a sometimes useful trick to restore aged or color damaged photos.) This then leads the question as to what did not significantly change over the few years of these photos. Answer... the asphalt. The asphalt has certain areas with similar light and texture. Using Photoshop's color sampler tool at a large radius it is possible to closely match the asphalt between the photos. This gets you a lot closer to comparing similar colors.
Result-I'll let others validate my methodology before I tell my result.
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Post by clm1545 on Jul 15, 2014 22:56:04 GMT -5
Hell, that's too complicated, we would rather argue. If you solve that question, Calvin will have to find something else.
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Post by Calvin on Jul 15, 2014 22:59:48 GMT -5
Yeah! I want the attention - good or bad! Dont make Michael and I spill out the DHL 2014 yellow debate we have been having behind the scenes. |
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Post by indy on Jul 16, 2014 7:30:04 GMT -5
Dont make Michael and I spill out the DHL 2014 yellow debate we have been having behind the scenes. I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that one Jordan |
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Post by Calvin on Jul 16, 2014 10:29:27 GMT -5
Dont make Michael and I spill out the DHL 2014 yellow debate we have been having behind the scenes. I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that one Jordan Oh its like professional ping pong - back forth back forth.... |
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Post by indycals on Jul 16, 2014 13:32:21 GMT -5
Although really wasn't much of a debate as it took what, 3 emails to come to a consensus?
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Post by Calvin on Jul 16, 2014 14:03:21 GMT -5
Although really wasn't much of a debate as it took what, 3 emails to come to a consensus? Gotta make it sound like we are working hard behind the scenes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 17:06:50 GMT -5
We need a dead horse icon thingy.
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Post by lance on Jul 16, 2014 17:08:18 GMT -5
I will be painting my earlier Blue Crowns a lighter shade of blue, I am doing so based on accounts of friends who saw these cars race and mostly from Bob Clidinst emphatically stating his feelings on the subject at dinner last night.
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