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Post by racerbrown on Mar 2, 2013 7:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by 2lapsdown on Mar 2, 2013 7:53:57 GMT -5
Do you think anyone at 16th and Georgetown will ever admit that their troubles started with Tony's grand vision? Seems they've been in some sort of recovery mode for a long time.
John
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Post by sam198 on Mar 2, 2013 8:18:17 GMT -5
While Tony George is hardly blameless in things, he had help. CART rhetoric, the bulk of motor racing "journalists", intransigent fans on both sides, and much more also hold a measure of responsibility. While I don't pretend to have the answers, it seems that some of the suggestions in the article have been tried and have failed in the past for various other sanctioning bodies. I love Indycar raing, but perhaps it needs to crater itself and be rebuilt from scratch. That articles like that keep cropping up make me think that is the inevitable outcome.
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Scott
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Post by 2lapsdown on Mar 2, 2013 9:14:38 GMT -5
Scott, your point is well taken. The big question would be, who would be in charge of the rebuilding? There doesn't seem to be a lot of solidarity between the ownership and the car owners. It's a sad state of affairs when most of the publicity these days is about the series trying to regain relevancy.
John
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Post by sam198 on Mar 2, 2013 9:40:33 GMT -5
John,
Quite frankly, I cannot think of anyone who would be a good choice. The owners of indycar are a group of snakes, so they view anyone as an insider or outsider, both with a different set of problems. Frankly, the teams need to be dictated to and given very little input on much else besides who to hire (which few of them do anyway, it tends to be the driver hiring them). The suggestion I would have for best benevolent dictator would be Tony Stewart. He's from open-wheel, knows the business, and has respect from most in the industry. I don't like Stewart, but it would make sense. The more likely scenario would be the series going under and nascar buying it for a song and turning it into a stepping stone (though honestly it already is).
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Scott
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Post by indycals on Mar 2, 2013 14:51:14 GMT -5
Those consultants are #%@#ing idiots. Playoffs? NFW! Road course race at Indy? Horrible idea.
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Post by clm1545 on Mar 2, 2013 18:57:07 GMT -5
Those consultants are #%@#ing idiots. Playoffs? NFW! Road course race at Indy? Horrible idea. I agree almost 100%, however I would much rather see a road course race at Indy than that farce at Baltimore, and some other street races we have seen in the past. Take Care Craig |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Mar 2, 2013 21:45:07 GMT -5
Much of what the consultants had to say sounds like they were telling the folks at Dysfunction Junction what they wanted to hear.
John
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Post by pje on Mar 3, 2013 0:57:13 GMT -5
So the best thing for Indy cars is to RAISE ticket prices for the Indy car race and lower prices for the NASCAR and motorcycle race?
Paul Erlendson
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Post by 2lapsdown on Mar 3, 2013 4:37:25 GMT -5
I'd love to know what they paid that consulting firm. I'll bet they're laughing all the way to the bank.
John
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 6:57:37 GMT -5
here's my take on the State of Indycar:
a) not enough American drivers (they all seem to migrate to NASCAR and there's no attempt to keep them in Indycar.
b) not enough inovation. spec cars with spec engines. while some of the racing is exciting, the excitement of seeing different engine/chassis/tire combinations is gone. other than the team colors, all the cars are essentially the same. boring and fans can't relate to a "Dallara".
c) 'back in the day', we had more oval races than road courses, much like NASCAR. have a 20 race schedule: 16 ovals and 4 road courses, per season. change up the road courses after each season so they visit different tracks such as Laguna Seca, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America along with one street race like Long Beach or Detroit.
just my take on the State of Indycar. like I said, some of the racing has been very good, but as an old school Indy fan, I miss going to the track to see what the teams have come up with this season. NASCAR has gone old school, if you will, with their new Gen 6 car, making the car more recognizable as the ones on the street. Indycar needs to go old school as well and get back to their roots.
from the very beginning, Indianapolis was about innovation. its time they get back to their roots.
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Post by INDY22IAM on Mar 3, 2013 21:58:57 GMT -5
It's real easy fellows. Greed!! Greed is what has killed the series. Greedy tire co., Greedy chassis co., Greedy owners of the track or cars. Racing is never going to be like it was. Even NASCAR or Formula 1 is not the same as it was 30, 40 years ago. Every one wants to be exclusive. They announced Good Year coming back but than Firestone said they will leave early, again Greed. So unless you got a magic formula to fix greed it will not get fixed.
There is for sure no over night fix to this problem. I would like to see a late season road course race at Indy. I think you might get a good draw for that one. I do know raising ticket prices for the 500 so we can cover the cost for Nascar and Motor cross is a terrible ideal. Thats what I have loved about the 500 that it has stayed a race fan venue. They could have raised the heck out of prices in the 70's and 80's but they stood strong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 22:27:36 GMT -5
"While Tony George is hardly blameless in things, he had help. CART rhetoric, the bulk of motor racing "journalists", intransigent fans on both sides, and much more also hold a measure of responsibility."
Sorry, but I disagree. When you see what Cart had in engines and car makers and TV ratings in 1994 to what open wheel has now become..a joke..Tony George has to be held accountable for screwing up the sport. CART, writers and race fans were victims of man's ego who had to do the sport his way or no way. To even have this man in the current debate as to where the sport should go is an absolute disgrace to all that is good in the sport. When I read what these alleged consultants have suggested, I see Tony's hands all over it. A road race at Indy---good god! Sorry, but the sport badly needs to get far away from the likes of Boy Tony.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 5:44:02 GMT -5
It's real easy fellows. Greed!! "Greed" is to blame for most things wrong in this country. not to get too political, but instead of "America, the Land of Opportunity" we've become "America, the Land of Entitlement and Greed". why can't we just all get along?   |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Mar 5, 2013 8:41:45 GMT -5
I agree 100% that greed is at the root of most of this county's problems. On a side note, David Malsher has written an outstanding commentary about the current state of IndyCar. It's on Racer.com
John
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Post by mjjracer on Mar 5, 2013 18:55:15 GMT -5
Those consultants are #%@#ing idiots. Playoffs? NFW! Road course race at Indy? Horrible idea. Agree, Michael. "The Chase" is stupid and contrived. And you could not ask for more drama than last year's championship, and I had plenty of room to move around at Fontana (though much better in the IRL days). I think it would be great if they could get out of the contract with NBC, but, would ESPN or ABC or ?? be willing to pay for it, in the state it's in? And finishing at Mickey Mouse raceway in the infield?? Come on. I admit the idea of southern hemisphere races in the winter is interesting. They could have given the forum members 12 bucks each for pizza and have gotten much better advise. ;D MJ |
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