Pennzoil paint question

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Is Tamiya Chrome Yellow and good rattle can match for Pennzoil Yellow?

[russd]

I used Tamiya TS34 (Camel Yellow?) over a semi-flat white base primer on my PC18 conversion. The shade seems a bit too dark for a Penzoil yellow. There are pixs of the paint job posted in this section (Page 3) under Penske PC-18.

RussD

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Yes, the Camel yellow is too dark. TS47 chrome yellow looks pretty close to me, but I would like to know if anyone else thinks so.

Also, does anyone know if Al Sr's #25 Cummings 1987 Indy winner was Pennzoil yellow also?

[stonecold44]

On the suggestion of Michael at Indycals, I used the Camel Yellow and was pleased with the results. I've built the PC-17 #5 and the 1987 #8 and I think they look pretty good. Here is a link to the thread with pics of the 1987 car. Just scroll about halfway down. And no laughing at the rear wing plates that I constructed .
mb2501.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=cart&action=display&thread=398

Interstingly, someone else had the same paint question and said something along the lines of "If I paint all of the Pennzoil cars the same shade, it won't matter." I also used the Camel Yellow for the Hertz-Penske PC-17, again on the advice of Michael Portaro. The red in his decals are printed in a maroon shade and turn the perfect red with the Camel Yellow.

[mrindy77]

I think it was more of a yellow pearl. If you look very close at the car in the museum it has very fine pearl in it. I know Clay Kemp painted his version a pearl yellow as well.

[herk56]

To the best of my knowledge, ALL Pennzoil-sponsored cars were yellow pearl, even that darn NA$CAR Pontiac! That said, in scale the Chrome Yellow looks pretty good to my eye.

Brian

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Thanks for all the replys. I knew that Sam Hornish's Pennzoil car had the pearl finish, but I did not realize that the others did.

[indycals]

Oct 2, 2008 11:46:34 GMT -5 stonecold44 said:

On the suggestion of Michael at Indycals, I used the Camel Yellow and was pleased with the results. I've built the PC-17 #5 and the 1987 #8 and I think they look pretty good. Here is a link to the thread with pics of the 1987 car. Just scroll about halfway down. And no laughing at the rear wing plates that I constructed .
mb2501.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=cart&action=display&thread=398

Interstingly, someone else had the same paint question and said something along the lines of "If I paint all of the Pennzoil cars the same shade, it won't matter." I also used the Camel Yellow for the Hertz-Penske PC-17, again on the advice of Michael Portaro. The red in his decals are printed in a maroon shade and turn the perfect red with the Camel Yellow.

Hmmm... Are you sure you aren't thinking of Tamiya TS16 Yellow? I've never recommended Camel Yellow for a Pennzoil car - I've always recommended TS16 - it is the only yellow I've ever used on a Pennzoil car since I discovered Tamiya paints.

As for the 87 Cummins car - it was the same yellow as the Pennzoil car... in fact it WAS a Pennzoil car a couple weeks before the 500.

[indycals]

Oct 7, 2008 16:20:16 GMT -5 @goinggreen said:

Thanks for all the replys. I knew that Sam Hornish's Pennzoil car had the pearl finish, but I did not realize that the others did.

I don't believe they did... I've seen all the Pennzoil cars from 1981 up close at the time they raced and it was only on the Hornish/Scheckter cars that I noticed the pearlesence. Here's an up-close shot of the nose of the 88 Pennzoil car taken this year at the IMS museum - no sign of pearl/metallic

[stonecold44]

Oct 7, 2008 20:54:31 GMT -5 indycals said:

Oct 2, 2008 11:46:34 GMT -5 stonecold44 said:

On the suggestion of Michael at Indycals, I used the Camel Yellow and was pleased with the results. I've built the PC-17 #5 and the 1987 #8 and I think they look pretty good. Here is a link to the thread with pics of the 1987 car. Just scroll about halfway down. And no laughing at the rear wing plates that I constructed .
mb2501.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=cart&action=display&thread=398

Interstingly, someone else had the same paint question and said something along the lines of "If I paint all of the Pennzoil cars the same shade, it won't matter." I also used the Camel Yellow for the Hertz-Penske PC-17, again on the advice of Michael Portaro. The red in his decals are printed in a maroon shade and turn the perfect red with the Camel Yellow.

Hmmm... Are you sure you aren't thinking of Tamiya TS16 Yellow? I've never recommended Camel Yellow for a Pennzoil car - I've always recommended TS16 - it is the only yellow I've ever used on a Pennzoil car since I discovered Tamiya paints.

As for the 87 Cummins car - it was the same yellow as the Pennzoil car... in fact it WAS a Pennzoil car a couple weeks before the 500.

Damn, you mean I did 3 cars all wrong? I did the 1987 and 1988 Pennzoil cars and the 1988 Hertz Penske car in Camel Yellow. It's a good thing I'm a bit color blind or I'd be totally upset. I'm not going to re-do those for a long time.

[sandysixtysfan]

Hi,
Its been real interesting reading this thread. It reminds me of my airplane modeling days when modelers were going around and around about matching Luftwaffe 'late war greens'. Even though actual examples existed, they varied and in photos aircraft that should have looked the same differed also. Long story short, batches of the same actual paint differed, and the way they looked on the aircraft depended on how the paint was applied at the factory pending on the undercoat (or lack of) and layers of paint and so on. Bottom line for modeling is if it looks 'right' it probably is!
Here's some photos of a piece of Rutherford's 1982 Pennzoil Chaparral a good friend sent me years ago. To hold it in my hand at 'book lenght' under normal light it looks like just a bright yellow. To hold it 'nose close' under a bright light you can see very, very small metallic (possible pearl) particles in THIS example as it raced at Pocono, 1982. So for modeling purposes an good bright yellow will probably do just fine. Does anyone have photos of this car at this race and info on the crash?
Sandy

[lance]

I am getting ready to build Bill J's Chaparral and thought that a color was mentioned in a 43rd scale kit by formula models , so I dug it out of the closet and sure enough they have a color recommendation, Fiat chrome yellow, can always strip it if I don't like it . Lance

[Calvin]

I know it was a very special color in its day from PPG. I wished I knew the PPG paint code.
But in 79 after they were ready to paint the new 2k, they ordered that special pennzoil yellow from PPG in Los Angeles, but the can of paint came open before going on the plane to ship... the shipping company wouldn't ship it.... so Jim Hall had to hire a guy to fly it over to Midland....but when they got it to midland there was a dust storm....so they had to paint the car at local a Chevrolet dealership.

Now we know where they painted all the other chaparral's at:
Outside the shop