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Post by INDY22IAM on Aug 10, 2012 9:46:40 GMT -5
Does anyone have reference pictures from Raul's IndyCar from race day of the 1993 Indy 500? I am trying to get the sponsors right on my 1/18 project. Any help is appreciatied.
***edit-caps are implied yelling, this should be received better***
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Post by gavkiwi on Aug 10, 2012 11:29:27 GMT -5
Michael at indycals just released the '93 Duracell decal set this past week www.indycals.net/decals/indy/93duracell.htmlThese decals are 'race day' accurate to the best of my knowledge I have some pics of his car at home, but they are not that great quality though |
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 10, 2012 13:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by GrandPrecision on Aug 10, 2012 16:09:06 GMT -5
Either "Bee Windows" disappeared by race day, or Michael is missing that on his sheet... there's a couple different decal differences between the Indycals sheet and that pic. Also, those "qual shots" don't always reflect the race day sponsors 100%.
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 10, 2012 17:03:24 GMT -5
It's in other pictures too. He's also missing the "Hoosier" logo, but I'm not even sure what that is.
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 10, 2012 17:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by indy on Aug 10, 2012 17:37:08 GMT -5
Is the last pic practice or race? It doesn't have the Hoosier logo.
Jordan
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 10, 2012 18:03:27 GMT -5
Yeah, it does. In front of rear wheel.
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Post by indy on Aug 10, 2012 19:14:08 GMT -5
Yep, I thought that was part of something else since it was so blurry  it is there - just missed recognizing it. Jordan |
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 10, 2012 19:42:55 GMT -5
I think it might be this  |
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Post by INDY22IAM on Aug 10, 2012 20:43:15 GMT -5
Thanks guys. This helps out greatly. I have his 93 Mini-champs release but it was not correct decaling for the Indy 500. Since Michael at Indy Cals brought this set to life I thought I would up date my 1/18. thanks again. Although Michael did not include the Hoosier 96 decal anyone out there could help me out with that one? Not that big of a deal but I always like to be as close as possible. Thanks again for the help you guys are the best.
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Post by indy on Aug 10, 2012 21:07:32 GMT -5
Talk to Michael about it. His service is top notch and he's done his research so he can and will help. Michael's very thorough and I'd give him chance to chime in.
Jordan
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Post by indycals on Aug 10, 2012 21:46:44 GMT -5
I just went by the Tamiya sheet. Reference material is VERY hard to find for this car. Combine that with the fact that Dick Simon cars were known to literally change every day, unless someone produces a conclusive race day image, I'm not making any mods.
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Post by indy on Aug 10, 2012 22:15:43 GMT -5
I just checked my shelf and I have no '93 yearbook (there were 2 right?). So, sorry guys - don't really have any references on point that I know of.
Jordan
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Post by indycals on Aug 10, 2012 23:43:07 GMT -5
The Hungness yearbook isn't very helpful.
One problem with the Bee logo (apart from the fact that there is not enough detail to decipher the graphic), is that the upper part of the logo goes on a part of the car that simply isn't there on the Tamiya kit.
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 11, 2012 9:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by indycals on Aug 12, 2012 4:14:51 GMT -5
I did find a race day pic that showed the Bee and Hoosier logos so I updated the sheet  |
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Post by mrpeters on Aug 12, 2012 5:45:47 GMT -5
Nice! So it was hoosier 96? I guessed well!
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Post by indycals on Aug 12, 2012 13:11:28 GMT -5
Probably not - it looks like a slightly different variation of the logo but unless someone can provide me with something CLEAR - and that is the bugger, I get a lot of reference material where I'm expected to decipher a fuzzy blob - that's the best it's going to get for now.
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Post by gavkiwi on Aug 12, 2012 13:25:13 GMT -5
nice updates ;D
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Post by INDY22IAM on Aug 12, 2012 19:39:52 GMT -5
Thanks for all the responses the bottom picture is the closest to race day or could be race day. As I started working on the car in the basement I realized I have the Indy review book of 1993. There was a couple of good race pictures in there but that 2nd picture helped out quite a bit on placement. The only thing different on race day so far that I can see is the back wing added Sadia and Indy Tires was below the Vermont Tools and Mobil 1 was moved up next to the ford logo. Michael is correct on the Tamiya kit and also the Mini-Champs die cast that part of the car does not exist. Although on my car I will just put it in the same position as it is as close up as possible. I will have to get those two additions next time I order from you. I will post pictures of the car when it is done. I have a little bit of work to do.
The Hoosier 96 logo is correct but there is a little more words on it but I can't tell what they are. Could be FM or Hip Hop I don't know if it was a Hip hop station back in 93 or not.
Thanks again for all the help.
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Post by 11rowsof3 on Jan 16, 2015 9:48:52 GMT -5
Just to follow up on this, while it's still a cold miserable winter here in Indiana  I am going to finally update my 1/43 Minichamps to the Indy version. I know it'll never be 100% accurate becasue Dick Simon used a different engine cowl than all the other Ford teams (I guess becasue they were also testing the Buick?) but short of major body work, this is as close as we can get. Does anyone know the backstory of why Mininchamps always did the Michigan speedway car versus the Indy 500? Was there extra licensing involved to add the USAC tech stickers, etc? |
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Post by oldphotos on Jan 16, 2015 17:20:09 GMT -5
If you read on the Mini Champs box It sat PPG Indy Car Series Not Indy 500,
The PPG Series did NOT race at Indy. The cars and drivers did but under the USAC banner for this race only,
That why some cars had different number at Indy than the rest of the season.
Mini Champs made 1 mold for the Lola 1 for the Reynard and 1 for the Penske car and painted them different for each team, If you look at any body no matter which team all the Lola's are the same just as the Reynard's and Penske's
Oldphotos
Walt
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Post by 11rowsof3 on Jan 17, 2015 9:46:21 GMT -5
Sure, I know that much (I actually worked for CART teams in the 90's) but I was just more curious about if Minichamps had tried to work out a deal with the 500/USAC, etc. I mean, if you're going to have a speedway wing version - a lot of people are going to want the version and number that raced the Indy 500, that's all. Was just curious. |
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Post by jeffmasengale on Jan 17, 2015 11:10:27 GMT -5
This is the only photo I can find of of the car. Does show the Bee Window logo.  |
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Post by senn65 on Jan 17, 2015 11:48:56 GMT -5
Either "Bee Windows" disappeared by race day, or Michael is missing that on his sheet... there's a couple different decal differences between the Indycals sheet and that pic. Also, those "qual shots" don't always reflect the race day sponsors 100%. True, can't always count on grid photos. |
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Post by senn65 on Jan 17, 2015 11:55:03 GMT -5
I did find a race day pic that showed the Bee and Hoosier logos so I updated the sheet Good looking sheet Michael. |
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Post by senn65 on Jan 17, 2015 12:05:46 GMT -5
If you read on the Mini Champs box It sat PPG Indy Car Series Not Indy 500, The PPG Series did NOT race at Indy. The cars and drivers did but under the USAC banner for this race only, That why some cars had different number at Indy than the rest of the season. Mini Champs made 1 mold for the Lola 1 for the Reynard and 1 for the Penske car and painted them different for each team, If you look at any body no matter which team all the Lola's are the same just as the Reynard's and Penske's Oldphotos Walt Minichamps tooled the 93 Lola with SW & RC chassis. Also the 95 Lola chassis & the PC22 & PC 23 chassis, they are different. |
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it is there - just missed recognizing it.
I am going to finally update my 1/43 Minichamps to the Indy version. I know it'll never be 100% accurate becasue Dick Simon used a different engine cowl than all the other Ford teams (I guess becasue they were also testing the Buick?) but short of major body work, this is as close as we can get. 
