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Post by Calvin on Nov 13, 2011 23:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by trevor83 on Nov 14, 2011 7:16:11 GMT -5
With Japan gone I don't mind it. If we have more than one long distance race then I'm not a fan. I prefer North American continent for our races though.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Nov 14, 2011 9:30:30 GMT -5
I'm conflicted. Given China's track record with human rights and market manipulation I don't like it. If it helps the series in some way I'm for it. It just seems to me we could be doing more to grow the series in the US and Canada. The Canadian market seems to be almost ignored. I don't know why, they have great fans and some great drivers have come from Canada.
John
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Post by Calvin on Nov 14, 2011 12:24:43 GMT -5
As far as I can see, this going to China deal is more about making sponsors happy than anything else? I'm I right?
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Post by mjjracer on Nov 14, 2011 13:28:05 GMT -5
Racing only exists if the sponsors are happy. Plus, you gotta go where you are wanted. This should bring some badly needed dollars to Indycar.
Would I rather see Milwaukee, Phoenix, Road America, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen, Nazareth, Cleveland, et al instead? You bet. But it's got to make financial sense.
So, not a big supporter as I too think China is an awful global citizen, but I don't think that having a race or not having one is going to make one bit of difference. Now, if the U.S. were to go after China with tariffs and penalties for dumping products and even some sanctions, I'm all for that.
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Post by illeagle10 on Nov 14, 2011 14:48:57 GMT -5
I just see as getting further and further away from the "grass roots" of Indy racing, as Indy racing has been doing over the last twenty or so years. It's seems likes it's cheapening Indy car like everything else that's made in China!
Jim
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Post by stuboyle on Nov 14, 2011 18:37:33 GMT -5
I think we are going to have to have a number of these non-North American races which make money. Then we take the proceeds of them so we self-promote races like Milwaukee and Phoenix.
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Post by clm1545 on Nov 14, 2011 19:57:08 GMT -5
I understand that it will be a street race. I really don't care where they run it, I will not watch. Unless the new cars allow some real racing, I will continue to pass on the road races too. Everyone is excited about multiple engines, If history is any indication, one engine will prove to be the best, and the others will leave. If, on the other hand, all the engines are equal ( I would doubt that) we will have the same pack racing we all dislike. I really hope that I am wrong, but unless they suprise me, my only trip to Indy next year will be for the Grand Am race.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 23:40:51 GMT -5
i guess most of you know how i feel about the sport in general. capital, like elecrticity and water will follow the path of least resistance. it is only inevitable that the laws of physics have been applied here. human rights, unfortunately are irrelevent here just as they were when trading status was given to china back in the 90s..its all about the $. you dont see baseball, football etc setting up pro teams in emerging market economies.....i still enjoy racings past for what it once meant to me. nothing can change that. its now a sport w no soul IMO...
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Post by indyracecars on Nov 15, 2011 18:55:34 GMT -5
Sorry but I am going to be the minority here I guess, I love the idea of a new market. I want indycar racing to survive!!! If the American Corporations can not, or will not, sponsor the series than the money has to come from somewhere. I do not think that series will have the majority of its races in other countries, but if they will pay the bills then so be it. Maybe it will be so liked that some company might take a chance on making models of the cars for us to build. But in all reality keeping this an American sport has not been working well, besides it never was. I would like things to be different, but I do not want them to be different in the way of no more indycar racing.
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Post by Calvin on Nov 16, 2011 3:51:20 GMT -5
Short term, it may pay the bills. But long term, its not going to help the series grow in North America.
At the end of the day we have an American racing series repeating history once again.
I kind of find it very interesting looking at the age demographics of who is in favor of going to China. I'm one the few in the younger age group that doesn't like it.
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Post by SWT500 on Nov 16, 2011 8:14:46 GMT -5
During the 1980s, one of the CART officials would always refer to the series as "trying to be Formula 3/4". I continue to find that rather profound. Being a die hard oval fan, I am disappointed in the trend but understand fully. To quote The Who in "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 12:10:56 GMT -5
i think we all know the concept that was the original IRL was a failure. it was the return of the CART teams that saved them. the initial teams were unprofessional as were the drivers. the 500 has never recovered from the split...the vacuum created during that time gave nascar the boost needed to gain new market share of motor sports fans. i initially liked the original IRL concept and supported it 100%...just more 'desperation' as the marketers at 16th and georgetown know that their has product 'jumped the shark' stateside..
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Post by gavkiwi on Nov 16, 2011 16:21:14 GMT -5
i think we all know the concept that was the original IRL was a failure. it was the return of the CART teams that saved them. the initial teams were unprofessional as were the drivers. the 500 has never recovered from the split...the vacuum created during that time gave nascar the boost needed to gain new market share of motor sports fans. i initially liked the original IRL concept and supported it 100%...just more 'desperation' as the marketers at 16th and georgetown know that their has product 'jumped the shark' stateside.. Agreed, when you have no name (mostly) drivers driving at Indy, thats when that special something was missing at Indy. 1 former winner in the '96 500 was a joke, I never cared for the IRL, but still watched Indy bc it was Indy, 96 and 1997 was when I really got into nascar for a number of years, it was just more fun and exciting to watch. Cart also had some good races during this period. Now racing in China, its a temporary circuit, It will be interesting to see how the chinese embrace indycar racing, they don't seem to care for F1 that much  |
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Post by clm1545 on Nov 16, 2011 20:30:23 GMT -5
Guys, please layoff " the split" we all have our opinions and nothing said here will change them. Everytine the subject comes uo, things seem to get ugly.
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Craig
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 13:23:48 GMT -5
I dont like it. I will list the reasons why I dont like it below....
1. It's another out of country race, which the series doesnt need.
2. It's another road/street course, which the series again doesnt need.
3. It is not cost effecient for the teams nor the series, especially in these times.
The series needs to focus on stateside races, oval tracks, and sponsors.
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Post by indycals on Nov 27, 2011 15:45:09 GMT -5
I dont like it. I will list the reasons why I dont like it below.... 1. It's another out of country race, which the series doesnt need. 2. It's another road/street course, which the series again doesnt need. 3. It is not cost effecient for the teams nor the series, especially in these times. The series needs to focus on stateside races, oval tracks, and sponsors. I agree with you on points 1 and 2, but point three is usually paid for by the hosting country/promoter. |
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Post by Calvin on Nov 27, 2011 17:57:17 GMT -5
The USA is different from other country's. We like to have our own sports, and with Indycar ditching the US more and more is not going to help grow our own open wheel series. Everyone I talk to, personally laughs when I say Indycar is going to China.
Everyone has a check list of what Indycar needs to do, I try to stay out of that talk because we dont really know what is going on behind closed doors. But I'll stick by my prediction and that is it may pay off at $$ first $$ but in the long haul and BIGGER picture it will not.
I see this race as a late night infomercial - Indycar is basically going because it will make them money from sponsors that want them there.
IMO If Indycar wants to compete with Nascar the fans need to stay positive, then that will lead to more fans coming in, then more tracks in the USA that will want the series, in turn will bring back oval tracks. Plus having the different cars helps as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 19:18:43 GMT -5
The one thing I really don't quite understand when it comes to Indy is this "It should be an American series for American drivers" arguement. To me, the international flavor of the talent from CART and the slightly international nature of the tracks are what gave Indycar its identity in the late 80s and early 90s before the split. Do we need to bring up more American talent on American tracks, yes. But at the same time, international drivers are still COMING to Indycar to drive in the states. They are a very nice import and as such, Indycar has the potential to become a really cool export.
I am kind of on the fence about China. It could be good, but it may also not be so good. Still, considering China promoters would be paying Indycar teams FROM the US to come and race in their country, it means a little bit of income and name recognition coming back this way as opposed to it all going overseas.
Personally, I would LOVE it if Indycar could again become the "Formula 3/4ths" of the early 1990s. Reason being is at least international eyes and income were coming into the states as opposed to going over to Europe to fund the Max and Bernie show. We should be treating Indycar like an exportable commodity, not like something JUST for Americans to enjoy. We've got Nascar for that (even if they have Nationwide races in Mexico and Canada, it isn't quite the same).
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