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Post by Chris on Jul 24, 2011 14:22:55 GMT -5
Guys, I just have to say "F1 continues to ROCK!!!!" talk about a real race of champions... They rocked it start to finish.. I have started to notice, the invincible Vettel has a tendency to make small but costly errors when he is under pressure and the Red Bull RB7 isn't so superior when its not out front in clean air!!! Ever since the 2nd or 3rd race this year the Heat is on and getting Hotter, competition is tremendous all through the field.. I cant wait for the next race!! Chris  |
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Post by Calvin on Jul 25, 2011 0:50:37 GMT -5
Week after week I'm just so impressed how professional the top drivers are. They make very few mistakes in the heat of close battle.
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Post by stuboyle on Jul 25, 2011 10:17:08 GMT -5
Week after week I'm just so impressed how professional the top drivers are. They make very few mistakes in the heat of close battle. It kind of makes you wonder why Indycar has so much trouble. I wonder if it has to the car. The F1 cars are so much more nimble than an Indycar. |
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Post by Chris on Jul 25, 2011 20:45:30 GMT -5
I re-watched both races today, first thing that occurred to me was the F1 drivers are not pay to drive racers , sure their sponsors put up money when they get hired but they go thru various lower levels of racing before being HIRED to drive and get a salary, Indycar drivers buy their rides, except for the very top guys. F-1 doesn't use avoidable contact penalties, blocking penalties(except in very rare occasions), and very rarely use full course yellows to bunch up the Field. That and the fact that each team builds, develops, and races their own car of their own design. Unlike the Indycar spec series, that means everybody on the F1 team works toward the success of the driver. No spotters, no two wide re-starts etc... F1 drivers are the very best and follow a code of conduct that is understood by each other and not forced by the sanctioning body-track promoters.. I am sure I will hear about this but I dont see how they are even remotely comparable except they both dont have fenders!!!! Chris |
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Post by indydog on Jul 25, 2011 22:17:41 GMT -5
I'm not so sure they are all that different Chris.
I imagine the HRT, Virgin and Lotus drivers are, most likely, pay-drivers. You can damn sure bet that Pastor Maldonado bought his ride at Williams. I think the drivers are overpaid anyway. You wanna cut costs in F1... start with the driver salaries. As for avoidable contact penalties... ask Sebastien Buemi about that.
Not that I'm knocking F1 racing, I love it, but just the racing. Everybody thinks it's the pinnacle of racing, but it's not. It's no different the Indycar or Rolex or Nascar. They each have the technology they need in their respective series.
F1 may have high tech stuff, but when are we (the motoring public) ever gonna see (or need) KERS technology on a street car? F1 didn't invent anti-lock braking, traction control OR semi-automatic gearboxes. They just use the technology.
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Post by Chris on Jul 26, 2011 1:28:55 GMT -5
Yes, some of the bottom 10 teams do have pay drivers, mostly to shoulder the cost of building their own car, but they need to have gone thru the lower accredited paths to get to run in F1, Indy car will take a driver if they run just a couple of races in their accepted list.. For an American series, where are the American drivers? Cars? Engines? KER's will be standard on several production cars in the next year or two. YUP F1 didn't invent those modern conveniences they just made them work.. Dont get me wrong I love Indycar, I just think the series as a whole is going about it the wrong way, In my opinion they are following the NASCAR business model, remember when drivers ran in many series, why dont they today? Unfortunately it appears to be that the drivers are not good enough, Toronto was a prime example! Mario, AJ. Gurney and so many more were real drivers. Multiple manufacturers, Multiple Engines, Talented drivers who could drive anything well you get it...
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Post by indycals on Jul 26, 2011 2:31:38 GMT -5
I dunno that it's all THAT different. I seem to remember one race where Button took out his team mate, served a penalty and went on to win the race.  I think the problem is the tracks - city streets are not good for racing. |
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Post by Calvin on Jul 26, 2011 2:51:06 GMT -5
The thing I look forward to the most during an indycar race is when the two of the three Lotus drivers fall out of the race. (not TK)
I look forward to it because....well its my way of seeing how the race strategy is going work out for the other teams. Because sooner or later there will be a caution for both of those Lotus'
just watch since I said that one them will win the next race.
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Post by Chris on Jul 26, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5
I root for Sato every race, only to be disappointed (expecting) when he will crash or fall out!! Kind of a Love-Hate deal!!! LOL I agree about the tracks, How many wonderful road tracks are there that could be used instead of street circuits? Chris |
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Post by indydog on Jul 26, 2011 13:22:43 GMT -5
I think the appeal of street circuits is the expense. It takes alot of money to build a dedicated F1 course. The next best thing is to use the roads you already have.
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Post by Chris on Jul 26, 2011 14:37:42 GMT -5
The FIA has very high standards and even the most modest existing road courses cant meet them, although Melbourne Park and Monaco are street circuits. Road Atlanta did massive improvements but still couldn't meet the requirements. Safety and accommodating the massive support that is needed for F1 is the problem, Long Beach simply ran out of room (and money) I have been to the Indy races there and its packed in, I cant imagine F1. Money is the other factor that keeps F1 off street circuits as most cities dont have or are willing to put up the Millions that Mr. Ecelstone requires to fill his coffers... Dont get me going on that Yo Yo... Chris |
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