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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 21:57:27 GMT -5
I'm getting back to my open wheel roots...  and have always wanted to build Bobby's Pure Firebird Special.  I know Cady made set of decals at one point but haven' t been able to locate any...are their any others around. Also what would need to involved to convert the '63 Lotus to the '64 Marshman Firebird Special. Sorry this is the only photo I've had to work with  Thanks !! ~Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 22:25:07 GMT -5
Hi Tony,
Slidinsideways has a long thread posted down in the section for '64 cars. Take some time and read through the entire site. There is a TON of great stuff here.
Mongo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 23:28:11 GMT -5
Tony,
Fred Cady still has sets of decals available if you need them Just write him and he'll sell you what you need. Fred is a good guy!
Best to you
Russ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 23:48:44 GMT -5
Tony, Fred Cady still has sets of decals available if you need them Just write him and he'll sell you what you need. Fred is a good guy! Best to you Russ Thanks Russ for the tip !! |
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Jul 8, 2008 7:15:44 GMT -5
If you don't mind small scale- 1/43 - Ghost Models has the Firebird Spl. Its nicely detailed and is available as either a kit or factory built. Its a metal kit made in England by SMTS for Ghost Models under the brand name 'Dogleg Models'. They also have a bunch of other Indy classics from the '40's (Blue Crown's) through to the modern era. Check it out here- www.ghostmodels.com/?car;item=1026;view=14 I seem to remember Bobby Marshman's tragic death in this car was attributed to a stuck throttle. Was this true? What track did it happen at? Sandy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 8:25:48 GMT -5
If you don't mind small scale- 1/43 - Ghost Models has the Firebird Spl. Its nicely detailed and is available as either a kit or factory built. Its a metal kit made in England by SMTS for Ghost Models under the brand name 'Dogleg Models'. They also have a bunch of other Indy classics from the '40's (Blue Crown's) through to the modern era. Check it out here- www.ghostmodels.com/?car;item=1026;view=14 I seem to remember Bobby Marshman's tragic death in this car was attributed to a stuck throttle. Was this true? What track did it happen at? Sandy Thanks sandy !!! The 1/43 version may be the way for me to go. Does anyone have any other reference photos of the car....the one above was all I had.......Thanks!! BTW...Bobby died as a result of a tire testing crash at Phoenix. |
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Post by slidinsideways on Jul 8, 2008 9:55:06 GMT -5
Tony, Good to have you over here! Here is some of what I found that I had posted on Randy's board in the open wheel section... [The '63 car was a Lotus 29 and the '64 car was an update of that design called the Lotus 34...Very subtle differences between the two...The 34 was built more specifically to accomodate the new Ford dual overhead cam(DOHC) engine. The shape of the nose cone is a tiny bit changed as well as the windscreen...also the angle of the rear radius rods is a bit different. In addition the 34 lacked any kind of tail/transaxle cover...only a straight horizontal rear bumper. I have several excellent pics of this if interested. Something else interesting...the Bobby Marshman Pure Firebird Spl. Lotus of 1964 was actually the back up Lotus 29 that Dan Gurney had crashed in practice in '63. it was purchased by Lindsay Hopkins and updated by chief mechanic Jack Beckley to accept the new Ford DOHC...also an additional oil tank was mounted on the left side...In '65 Foyt and Parnelli drove updated Lotus 34's ( I am pretty sure Jones was in Clark's old car) while Clark and Gurney were in the new Lotus 38's which proved successful for Clark with his win. Another thing to consider when modeling the 34 (in '64 style) is the fact that they rode (Clark's and Gurney's anyway) on Dunlop tires which I know of no difinitive source for other than to scour one's stock of kit tires and find a set that most closely replicates them. I have such a set but do not know their origin. I would be glad to scan them and post if you like. One last thing is that the 34's used the new 4 spoke wheel which can be found in the Testors Lotus 38 kit or can be purchased from R&D Unique...] I also have at least 2 dozen different reference pics of this car that I will begin posting soon. I have been researching this car for years now and will do my best to answer any question that comes to your mind about it! Here is one pic to get started...   Well, maybe two...These are POST Indy and the numbers/lettering no longer have the red accent/shadowing. Also, the car now has an expansion tank mounted behind the roll bar which appeared on raceday at Indy 1964... Bill H |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 15:10:44 GMT -5
 It's an easy conversion with an old AMT Lotus kit. Just get a copy of Bob Clidinst's drawings, Fred Cady's decals and Norm Vebber 64 Tires and you have it! If I can do it, anyone can. Best to you Russ Bundy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 15:48:14 GMT -5
Bill H....I'm most fortunate to have found this forum ...It fills a real void in my modeling & race interest !! Thanks so much for the tips & fact of Bobby's car. I forgot how killer it looked. I would be most interested in any photos (thanks so much for your time & trouble). You can PM, email or post whichever is most convenient ( but I sure the board would love them too  ) Russ...that is one awesome build  or some photos of a museum car ;D You have convince me to go large scale now but sorry I 'm not familar with the Bob Clidinst's drawings and Norm Vebber 64 Tires Any leads to these sources would be most welcome. Guys you know your stuff !! Thanks ~Tony |
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Post by slidinsideways on Jul 8, 2008 16:31:05 GMT -5
Tony,
Thanks for the compliments! What Russ is talking about are the Replicas & Miniatures Company of Maryland (Norm Veber) tires. They are the #T-12 Firestone Indy "Big & Littles". Norm does not have a website but you can contact him @
317 Roosevelt Ave. S.W.
Glen Burnie, MD 21061.
The tires are perfect for any 1964 Indy build. I have a WIP on this car, but I stopped because of new info which has come to light. I intially thought that the IMC version of the '63 Lotus was more to scale than the AMT version. Russ has enlightened me on this subject however. When you compare the bodies to the Bob Clidinst drawings you can see that the AMT fits about perfect. HOWEVER...I feel the cockpit opening on the IMC is much more accurate and I will be attempting to graft that portion of the body onto the AMT. I also am using the AMT tub and suspension for accuracy and the DOHC Ford engine from the MPC Olsonite Eagle for the same reason. The IMC kit has very plain and simple looking suspension parts. Not realistic at all IMHO...
The most challenging aspect of the build, to me, is going to be fabricating the multi-piece engine cover. Especially if one wishes to be able to remove it as I do... Stay tuned for more pics of this car!
Bill Hasselle
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Post by eagle36 on Jul 8, 2008 19:51:44 GMT -5
Couple of things about the Marshman car:
1. Model Empire in West Allis, WI has a set of the Cady decals available, I was there today.
2. There were two Pure Firebird Spls. The ex-Gurney #91 (29/2) still exists today, restored to 1963 specs. The car that was destroyed in his crash was 29/3, the ex-Clark car.
3. The accident happened in testing at Phoenix. Some testing instrumentation or probe falling into the throttle linkage, jamming it open.
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Post by russd on Jul 8, 2008 21:28:38 GMT -5
eagle36 Wrote:
1. Model Empire in West Allis, WI has a set of the Cady decals available, I was there today.
IMHO ... This has got to be one of the top ten model stores in the country. Tons of kits, lots of rare stuff, decals and PE. At one point, they had a 1:12 Bandai STP Turbine kit and a 1:8 Lotus 72 for sale. They even have/had a model car museum full of ultra rare kits. I've spent hours just going through the Cady decal sets.
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or some photos of a museum car ;D