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Post by indycals on Jun 12, 2010 23:21:09 GMT -5
I think either the Tamiya or Hasegawa Lotus 79 would be a good starting point for...
a 1/20 Chaparral 2k ;D
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Post by elsapito on Jun 13, 2010 13:30:30 GMT -5
Hmmm... as long as this bug does not root in my brain...  I have too many of them already!! Yes I have always considered that that's a feasible thing, but I am not that ready to open the 1/20 indycars can of worms... Anyway, would that be interesting? I always thought the Indycar troop is very reasonably 1/25 prone. ......................... Nevertheless an MP4/1 could be even better... Anyway every time I see one of my resin BT49s, I see so muh a March 84C... I have studies the pis a bit, er... even if it sounds clumsily smug, my Alfa 182 looks a good base: the important parameters such as nose length and shape, relative position of cockpit and heigths of sidepods and fuel tank are really close. |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 13, 2010 15:34:21 GMT -5
Oh boy, that would be a hell of a job.
Trust me that idea popped into my head the night of the announcement back in November that Hasegawa was going to do 79.
The only original piece that could be used would be the rear wing and maybe the side skirt plate.
Chassis wise the front suspension looks like its the same, but the front of the bulkhead is totally different.
But whenever I get a 79.....I'll do some R&D for a possible 79 to 2k conversion. ;D
I'd like to get my 2nd generation of my 82 wildcat done before diving into another scratch build extravaganza.
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Post by indycals on Jun 13, 2010 15:49:42 GMT -5
Yes, make the Wildcat a priority first... just so long as you cast it in resin ;-)
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Post by Calvin on Jun 13, 2010 16:15:09 GMT -5
Hell Yeah! Once I get things perfected. Then I will sell them at a good price I plan to keep a good inventory, once I get things figured out. The hard part is doing the R&D. The poring of the resin is easier and cheaper than expected. BTW if anyone has any known dimensions of the 82 wildcat, please let me know Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 16:31:41 GMT -5
Calvin,
I'll ask Bob Clidinst if he has drawings of it...If he does, I'll get them to you!
Best to you!
Russ
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Post by Calvin on Jun 13, 2010 17:23:54 GMT -5
That would be great if so....it would make things 1000 X easier to have known dimensions  |
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Post by elsapito on Jun 14, 2010 11:56:40 GMT -5
Just made some checkings... The 2K is virtually an aluminum sketh of the F1 McLaren MP4/1. All the important measures are the same. No wonder both cars were designed by John Barnard and... in the same year. I checked on resin MP4/1 and the similarities are great. The Mac need a sidepod shape modification, an increase of widtnto comply with the Indy rules, a shoveling of engine over but an addition to the bak, and some more. But the basicacl shape is there indeed |
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Post by illeagle10 on Jun 14, 2010 13:03:54 GMT -5
Mike,
I know that your idea for Calvin is from having a new Lotus kit released. I was wondering if anyone considered doing a Longhorn from a Williams FW-07, since the design is very similar and were designed by the same person. Here is a quote from Race-Cars.com on a 1981 Williams-Longhorn FW-07 LR-02 that was sold.
"History
The FW07 was Patrick Head's first ground effects design and after a late introduction in 1979 was dominant in 1980, taking the championship. Bobby Hillin Sr. built this car for Al Unser Sr. for the 1981 500 Indy race. It was built by Longhorn in Midland, Texas from plans and components supplied by Williams. Bobby Hillin Sr. supplied the money. The owner has seen 2 other Formula One Williams FW-07s and the tub and body work are the same. These are hand built cars, so each one is a little different, but a lot of the parts will interchange. The big difference in the Indy car to the F-1 seems to be the 15" wheels required at Indy as compared to the 13" wheels that were in use at that time in F-1. Also, the suspension rockers are at different angles to allow for the different height of the wheels. The plans which accompany the car are from Williams in England. Not a complete set, but pretty extensive. Ed Zink did a lot of the detail work on many sets of additional Longhorn drawings."
Just another thought for someone who has the ambition to tackle it, if it is possible.
Jim
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Post by elsapito on Jun 14, 2010 13:38:13 GMT -5
Wel, Jim. The Longhorn has been talked about some times at the f1m forum.
Yes, not only similar but almost identical!!
The only shortcoming of the idea is that, as long as I've seen, there's no particularly attrative livery for the Longhorn right?
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Post by Calvin on Jun 14, 2010 13:41:03 GMT -5
Yep, yep.... That has been discussed before, but no one has tried I dont think?
If Tamiya re issued the FW07 I think I would try to? As of now they are just too hard to get, expensive and no decals to use for doing a Longhorn.
It wouldn't be hard to convert at all. But to look at it with a realistic view, easy to do but how many people would want to build the not well known Longhorn car? I would! but something tells me that not to many others would also?
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Post by lazierfan on Jun 14, 2010 20:06:37 GMT -5
It is a project I have been thinking about for a long time myself. Russ if you can get the drawings I would love to be able to get a set as well.
Eric
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 15:29:12 GMT -5
Some good and some bad news everyone......
I spoke with Bob Clidinst today. He never did a drawing of the 1982 Wildcat becuase, in his own words, "Those newer cars did nothing for me....Left me kind of feeling flat." Oh he has drawings of cars through the 1970's, but that's where I stopped with the 80 Winner.
I also spoke to Bob about the re-release of Monogram's Kurtis Kraft Roadster and he laughed, "They're going to make that old kit payoff, one of these days." Bob also added some insight to that kit. "The bulges on the sides were on only one car, the car that the guys from Monogram came to Indy to take measurements from. They also had the car in parts so the fuel injectors were laying on the floor next to the engine and there were no brakes on the car when they took their measurements ans well."
Soon, very soon there will be an announcement here for an update set made available for this "good old kit." Stay tuned for coming attractions!
Best to all!
Russ
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Post by Calvin on Jul 19, 2010 3:06:23 GMT -5
I think either the Tamiya or Hasegawa Lotus 79 would be a good starting point for... a 1/20 Chaparral 2k ;D To follow up on this since I have a 79 now is......no way! No how, no, no ;D ...sorry, I'm not going to try, maybe one of the Pro's on the F1M board can but I'm not going too. ;D Too much money IMO to be cutting up.  I already have my 1:1 scale 2k to be working on But I do have plans of redoing my one of my 1/25 resin 2k sometime soon....Im thinking about putting an engine in and making the engine cover be detachable. |
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Post by elsapito on Jul 19, 2010 4:03:39 GMT -5
In fact, the truth is... why to do it at 1/20 when it exists at 1/25? I have the same feelings about a Penske or a Galmer (Probably even easier to do from a Lola 93) at 1/20. Let's face it, the SCALE for the Indycars is 1/25-1/24 or surely 1/43. Yet they tempt me so much, I must admit it! ;-) Yes, the chaparral is as close to a 79 as the MP4/1 is.... really little. Anyway, maybe some day I wake up with the idea of taking the plunge! |
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I already have my 1:1 scale 2k to be working on