NASCRAP

[2lapsdown]

I suggest NA$CAR changes the name of their demo derby finishes to green, white, wreckers.

[indycals]

Mar 29, 2010 19:00:46 GMT -5 2lapsdown said:

I suggest NA$CAR changes the name of their demo derby finishes to green, white, wreckers.

I love it.

I think we've seen the last of any race going the scheduled distance anymore.

[2lapsdown]

I'm trying to figure out what demographic they're catering to.

[SWT500]

So, do you guys actually sit and watch that?!?!? Not me baby...

[Calvin]

I enjoy almost all forms of racing and I'd have to say, the sanctioning bodies worry more about how exciting a race is than ever before. The sport of racing has dug themselves a hole with all of these "improve the show" rules.

If a race is "fixed" to be good, is it really that good?

[indycals]

Mar 29, 2010 21:38:11 GMT -5 Calvin said:

If a race is "fixed" to be good, is it really that good?

No.

That's what made Johncock/Mears so special in 82, nothing like that had ever been seen at Indy (save 1960 which didn't go down to the wire as Ward backed off at the end). IMO the last 100 miles of that race was the best racing I've ever seen (remember, it was more than just those last 12 laps, it was the entire last 40 laps). And best of all, no cautions to muck it all up!

[Calvin]

Mar 29, 2010 23:04:02 GMT -5 indycals said:

Mar 29, 2010 21:38:11 GMT -5 Calvin said:

If a race is "fixed" to be good, is it really that good?

No.

That's what made Johncock/Mears so special in 82, nothing like that had ever been seen at Indy (save 1960 which didn't go down to the wire as Ward backed off at the end). IMO the last 100 miles of that race was the best racing I've ever seen (remember, it was more than just those last 12 laps, it was the entire last 40 laps). And best of all, no cautions to muck it all up!

Yep, exactly.

[indy]

Even some of the other close finishes had 12+ miles to the flag

2006 - 5 laps for Michael to lead then Marco to pass then Marco to block Hornish and finally for Hornish to get the winning pass done on the homestretch

1992 - 7 laps for Goodyear to dog Al Jr

What I really hate about the Green/White/Checkers is the mentality that some fans take from it. I was at Texas a few years back for the IndyCar race and the fans were upset (some booed) that a race could actually finish under yellow!

Jordan

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Mar 30, 2010 9:11:58 GMT -5 indy said:

What I really hate about the Green/White/Checkers is the mentality that some fans take from it. I was at Texas a few years back for the IndyCar race and the fans were upset (some booed) that a race could actually finish under yellow!

Jordan

AMEN JORDAN!!!!!

As was once said by a famous man I know, "You can't make history drama...Drama takes an element of surprise to be great."
This i s what killed the C.A.R.T.'s US 500 and will end up killing NASCAR's popularity as well....You can't formulate races, thank God!

There must be the element of surprise...like in 1992 Micheal Andretti dominating the WHOLE race to have his engine quit just laps from the finish, or like in 1968 Joe Leonard just 9 laps from winning in the turbine to have it fail due to Colin Champman's neglect. Racing is drama......Lets not give IZOD Indy Car Series any ideas to planning out the end of their races.

NASCRAP has done some very stupid and silly things over the past few years in my honest opinion, and the green/white/checkered flag finishes the worset!...next to having the races on Fox. The whole points chase to the lat few races is very stupid, they didn't need to improve the points chase at all. One of the reasons I don't follow the "Taxi Cab Racing" much....all the stupid rules.

Best to you!

Russ

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Mar 29, 2010 20:42:20 GMT -5 2lapsdown said:

I'm trying to figure out what demographic they're catering to.

Jeff Foxworthy said it best..."If you see a baby running around a flea-market, wearing a dirty diaper drinking Pepsi Cola from a baby bottle....I'll show you a future NASCAR Fan!"

You know, Sarah Palin Followers.

Best to you!

Russ

[indydog]

Man, am I the only person here who likes Nascar racing?

I mean, yea, the green/white/checker is kinda lame and the points system is seriously f**ked up and it sucks that Jimmy "The Hack" Johnson keeps winning, but it's good racing.

I could take Johnson winning if his team mates were running as well as him. The only reason JJ wins is because his crew chief is Cheatin' Chad Knaus. It's almost as bad as watching a Penske car win every week... almost.

[indycals]

I want to still like NASCAR, but they make it so damn difficult. And I will never forgive them for depriving Mark Martin of a Daytona 500 victory not once but twice.

... in the same race!

And yet they wonder why ratings are down and ticket sales are abysmal.

[Deleted]

Mar 30, 2010 12:42:18 GMT -5 indycals said:

I want to still like NASCAR, but they make it so damn difficult.

Bingo.

G

[mrindy77]

Never ever ever! NASCARP = pussified.

[Calvin]

Mar 30, 2010 12:22:51 GMT -5 indydog said:

Man, am I the only person here who likes Nascar racing?

No, I follow it just as close as any other form of racing. I know the history just as good as any.

I'm one of the few that I know of that is diversified in what I follow....Nascar, Indycar, F1, Sportscars, NHRA.......
So I see all sides of the spectrum.

I just have never understood why most people take a side and bash the other?

I'm just glade we have Motorsports, because I think its the best sport on earth.

[Calvin]

Mar 30, 2010 12:42:18 GMT -5 indycals said:

I want to still like NASCAR, but they make it so damn difficult. And I will never forgive them for depriving Mark Martin of a Daytona 500 victory not once but twice.

... in the same race!

And yet they wonder why ratings are down and ticket sales are abysmal.

Yep, just like you've said before, can't wait 'tell Dale Jr gets screwed out of a win with the GWC rule. ;D

[Calvin]

Mar 30, 2010 12:07:33 GMT -5 @oldcalhoun said:

Mar 29, 2010 20:42:20 GMT -5 2lapsdown said:

I'm trying to figure out what demographic they're catering to.

Jeff Foxworthy said it best..."If you see a baby running around a flea-market, wearing a dirty diaper drinking Pepsi Cola from a baby bottle....I'll show you a future NASCAR Fan!"

You know, Sarah Palin Followers.

Best to you!

Russ

Oh Russ.... ;D
There is a lot of people that are proud to be rednecks, I'm surrounded by rednecks all the time They think Indycar racing is just a joke and Nascar is better. I hear it all the time.

I actually wish that Nascar had more of a good Ol' boy southern feel like it used to.

I actually wish that Indycar had more of a middle American Farmer/Cowboy feel.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But times change and I guess we wont get that anymore

[indydog]

I'm one of the few that I know of that is diversified in what I follow....Nascar, Indycar, F1, Sportscars, NHRA.......
So I see all sides of the spectrum.

You sound like me, but add WRC and MotoGP. I just love racing...

[indy]

Mar 30, 2010 14:01:01 GMT -5 Calvin said:

I'm just glad we have Motorsports, because I think its the best sport on earth.

Yep, that's why I started watching NASCAR, because I wanted to watch racing every week but IndyCars only got me 16 weekends a year (okay 20 counting the old full month of May ;D).

I think NASCAR has a decent product still but their leadership seems to lack a great vision for the future. Plus, they have abandoned some of the building blocks they grew on and I think that's why their foundation is shaking some....

I know there are some NASCAR fans here because I know what kind of models they build ;D

Jordan

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[macsparty]

While I've always preferred open wheel oval racing as my A1 favorite, I hate to disparage other racing.

I tend to think of NASCAR like that cool band you were into in college, the one that played in the bars and you could hang out with and have a drink with. They were your band, your secret. They were cool. Then they got picked up by a label. They started playing the big arenas in California and all over the country. They went corporate and started appearing in commercials for soft drinks. Then there are action figures. You started seeing old people and little kids wearing their shirts. In short, they sold out on the original fans. Big bucks and pop top 40 songs that sound the same won out over good original live music.

In short, I'll still watch occasionally, especially Daytona, and since they are everywhere, you can't help but keep up on what's going on. But it's just not like it was back in the day. (Did I just say that?) I haven't been to a NASCAR race since I think about the third Brickyard.

One other final thought before I end this ramble, as a model builder I (and I know a few others here too) am a member over on Randy Ayers NASCAR board. There's a bunch of good, helpful, welcoming guys over there, and far be it from me to look down on their preferred form of motorsports. A lot of them get as frustrated as the next guy with the antics of the sanctioning body, but they are still fans. And they churn out some excellent looking models.

[Deleted]

As Don Knotts character, Luther Higgs said in "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken,". "Let me clarify this........."

Oh I loved NASCAR 25 Years ago!!! Great drivers and races, wheel to wheel action and the great 1979 Daytona 500 which I still have on VHS. I have to agree Macsparty, what it once was has been and gone a long time. Like College Basketball is now and like watching a prono featuring Bo Derke and Alec Baldwin, kind of entertaining in a sick way, but you'd much rather have seen it 30 years ago.

NASCAR has left the original fans in the dust. With all the silly rules changes, restrictor plate races and points BS....As my grandfather used to say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" NASCAR has never been broke, on it's own or of it's self. It's just the morons that try to fix it that is the problem....kind of like Indy Car now come to think of it.

Best to you

Russ

[Patrick]

Well, gentlemen...I'm just an old f@&t and only care for the "good ol' days". Some call it the golden age of racing( but that's what they said about the 50's, IN the 60's! ;D). Regardless of what your time period of racing is I don't much care for modern F1, Indy, NASCR&P, or swamp racing for that matter. Perhaps I've lost contact with today's motor sport in my quest for the "lost" racers I never got to see race. If so...
I don't give a rat's...! Where's that ugly McNamara anyway! LOL

Maybe it's time to evolve into a totally new formula with less rules and more basic horse power.

Patrick

[mrindy77]

I'd rather be waterboarded than watch a NASCARP race. In fact I'm sure we could get more insurgents to "talk" if we subjected them to a NASCARP race on TV. Perhaps they would even shoot themselves if subjected to 20 NASCARP shows on SPEEDTV.