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Post by professor on Dec 16, 2009 14:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 21:35:43 GMT -5
Tom
How drunk do you think Robin Miller was when he wrote the pile of garbage?
Best to you!
Russ
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 16, 2009 21:41:38 GMT -5
Russ
You give Robin too much credit. He dosen't have to get drunk to be stupid.
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Post by SWT500 on Dec 17, 2009 9:06:03 GMT -5
If you worked with Robin Miller and tutored him, he might rise to the level of being merely stupid.
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Post by indy on Dec 17, 2009 9:54:04 GMT -5
This article really needed a picture of the drawing or a prototype - now that would be interesting IMHO.
Jordan
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 9:56:41 GMT -5
I disagree with all you guys.
All these companies wanting to get involved will create jobs and bring innovation back to Indycar racing.
My two cents is that we are where we are today because of one arrogant man that paid so much attention to dethroning CART that he ran Indycar racing into the ground.
This is exciting stuff!
You guys should be excited about what's going on rather than throwing stones at the guy reporting it.
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Post by indy on Dec 17, 2009 10:22:50 GMT -5
This is about the future of the sport, let's not get caught up debating the split - it never goes well.
I happen to agree about liking the premise of the article. Innovation and relevance are two hallmarks that Indy needs to get back to in my humble opinion. While I expect the 2012 car to be an evolution of the previous formulas, I would love to see an exciting revolution of the IndyCar formula.
Jordan
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Post by lance on Dec 17, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -5
My concern is that these people think they can win new younger fans with green race cars that are more eco friendly, when was the last time any of us went to a race with the anticipation of seeing how eco friendly the cars are? I grew up, as most of us did ,in awe of power belching machines and hero's who where bigger than life, that in my view is what has always captured the hearts of race fans. That said , if the new cars could lead to better racing ( something other than open wheel restrictor plate racing ) ,I would be glad for the change. Lance
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Post by Calvin on Dec 17, 2009 12:09:43 GMT -5
My concern is that these people think they can win new younger fans with green race cars that are more eco friendly, when was the last time any of us went to a race with the anticipation of seeing how eco friendly the cars are? Anything to not think of Al Gore would be a plus....I know my friends aren't into the green fad, I know I'm not either. I recommend not letting the environmentalist get involved with I500, keep them away as far as possible. Let the cars run different engines and chassis and things will be "A-OK" |
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Post by indycals on Dec 17, 2009 12:30:35 GMT -5
I have to disagree. We've basically pushed the speed envelope as far as it will go. Sure we could go faster, but we've seen at Texas with CART that we get to a point where the human body becomes the limiting factor. The only place to go is to go as fast as possible as efficiently as possible.
Here's something to think about: Back in the 30s they did the 500 averaging over 100mph while getting over 13mpg! A modern day SUV couldn't get double digit mileage at 100mph! We've had no problem achieving speed, we just need to work on refining how we get that speed.
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Post by lance on Dec 17, 2009 12:36:20 GMT -5
I am not so concerned with going faster but would like to see the driver be much more of a factor.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 17, 2009 12:44:19 GMT -5
The only thing I dont want is the environmentalist to get involved. Saving fuel is fine. Going faster we know is not the answer.
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 17, 2009 19:01:02 GMT -5
Hi Harveythedog
Because of a very unpleasant episode in the past. we have a "gentlemans agreement" not to discuss the split. I respect your opinion, but do not share it. If you want my views, please PM me.
History tells us that bringing new corporations into the sport usually does not work out. They have a habit of driving costs way up, and then dropping out. As for Robin Miller, he has a habit of not letting the facts influence his "reporting". I want to see more inovation and diversification as much as anyone, but I also want to see more than 2 teams having a real shot at winning. I want to see racing, not a high speed parade around a street or road course.
Take Care
Craig
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Post by professor on Dec 17, 2009 20:41:49 GMT -5
No big deal since this will be the last 500. The world is ending in Dec.of 2012 LOL
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 17, 2009 21:24:15 GMT -5
The way I figure it, if the world is ending in Dec. 2012, we still have 3 500's to run. But I can't see much reason to come up with new cars or engines. I love your sense of humor, we all take things too seriously sometimes.
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Craig
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:35:21 GMT -5
As for Robin Miller, he has a habit of not letting the facts influence his "reporting". Take Care Craig Craig.....Silly person that you are. You should know better than to use Robin Miller and facts in the same sentance..... SHAME ON YOU!!!! (LOL) and I agree with you, the current "IRL" board is only CART dressed in sheeps clothing. Best to you! Russ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:40:38 GMT -5
No big deal since this will be the last 500. The world is ending in Dec.of 2012 LOL Tom, Have you ever wondered if the Mayan Indians were such great tellers of the future, why didn't they see the Spanish coming to Central America and killing them off? I'll be at the 2015 Indy 500 laughing my rump off!!!! Best to you! Russ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 7:05:57 GMT -5
"Because of a very unpleasant episode in the past. we have a "gentlemans agreement" not to discuss the split. I respect your opinion, but do not share it. If you want my views, please PM me."
Craig, my intent was not to bring up old wounds or start a fight. Generally speaking, people that dog Robin Miller are people that that don't like him because he supported CART. In others words, people that supported the IRL. Aren't people that dog Robin Miller bringing up the spilt in a round about way? I think so...
My apologies if I offended anyone but I am not interested in what people think about Robin Miller. I would rather people concentrate on the positive story. That was not happening and the positive article was turning into a Robin Miller bashing thread.
I appreciate your views on the split but I have heard it all before.
Be happy to talk Indycar models with you anytime though!
IRL or CART! ;D
Stu
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Post by lance on Dec 18, 2009 12:41:59 GMT -5
Well said!
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Post by pje on Dec 18, 2009 12:53:52 GMT -5
Right on Stu.
Gentlemen, racing has always been about inovation. And if we want to have our sport last, it's got to come into the 21st century and become "greener".
I'm also exciting about the possiblity of some really different looking cars run at Indy and the IRL.
My two cents.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by mrindy77 on Dec 18, 2009 17:45:50 GMT -5
The rules are...well there are no rules in my revision of the 500....ok well perhaps a few....the car must have 4 wheels NOT COVERED BY FENDERS...the league supplies tires one tire compound for all tracks oval or road course. Powered by anything you want...just like the Can Am days....and you offer huge dollars to win it.
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 18, 2009 21:52:53 GMT -5
I like it Mrindy. I would only add that the teams must own their engines, and that the engine makers must sell to anyone for $50,000.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 18, 2009 23:27:24 GMT -5
I like it Mrindy. I would only add that the teams must own their engines, and that the engine makers must sell to anyone for $50,000. +1 I like that! but $50,000 was the price for a cosworth in 1980. I think they would be around $120,00 now. |
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 19, 2009 11:56:02 GMT -5
I don't know what a race engine costs, but I do know that racing costs all that you have or can get if there are no limits. I also know that the Grand Am DP cars run mutiple chassis and engine combinations and they have some pretty good racing. Both Chip and Roger ran that series last year and neither one of them walked away with the championship. They must be doing something right. I just want good close racing where more than 2 teams have a chance, and it can be done. I happen to prefer oval tracks, but I can live with good road tracks. What I can't stand is these stupid street tracks. I will bet anyone that either Penske or Chip will win both the 500 and the championship next season, and that is sad.
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Craig
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