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Post by SWT500 on Dec 15, 2009 11:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by indy on Dec 15, 2009 12:03:16 GMT -5
 Pretty disappointing for those of us that loved the Indy 500 being "The Month of May" Jordan
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Post by professor on Dec 15, 2009 12:21:01 GMT -5
I'm telling you, the race will be gone in ten years.
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Post by mrindy77 on Dec 15, 2009 12:35:15 GMT -5
Don't believe the crappy crapwagoneers...I don't foresee a government buy out.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2009 12:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 13:46:58 GMT -5
"The move garnered the support of Roger Penske, who was among owners who advocated shortening the schedule.
"It will reduce costs for teams on several fronts and provide continuous activity as we build momentum from Opening Day through race weekend," Penske said."
Figures that Bastard Penske is behind this! The Indianapolis 500 isn't going anywhere, but...Niothing has been handled as badly as "The Race" and track has been in the past ten years. The Track itself is a historical landmark, wish the 500 has been treated that way as well. All I have to say is this....When the "Bean Counters" were allowed to run things, it all went to hell quickly.
Best to all of you!
Russ
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 14:40:20 GMT -5
Always looking to "save the teams money".  Of course all the vendors in the area are going to lose money. I guess that's okay. GFigures that Bastard Penske is behind this! Easy tiger. |
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Post by mrindy77 on Dec 15, 2009 16:13:14 GMT -5
Why all the hatin' on the Captain?
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Post by lance on Dec 15, 2009 17:25:32 GMT -5
I think this is a good idea and long overdue considering the circumstances that have existed at the track for sometime now. Practice crowds are non existent and have been for some time , qualifying crowds aren't much better. Vender's will probably do better ( its hard to sell to people who aren't there), many vender's have already cut back on the time they spend trying to make a buck. Teams that are going to be contenders usually show up ready to race, field filler shows up ready to fill the field ( this is one Indy tradition that has thrived despite the passing of other traditions). I do not no for sure that these changes will help but they can't hurt. I have lived in Indy my whole life, My dad worked at the track from 61-83, I worked there from 84-99, the race has been an incredible part of my life and that of my family during those years and the last 14 years have been excruciating , to watch the once greatest race in the world become what it is not today (any form of modern racing for that matter). Lance
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Post by indy on Dec 15, 2009 17:51:06 GMT -5
It's the eighth Indy 500 for this generation Dallara so I would think most of the teams have a good idea on setup and just have to adjust for weather, another year of track aging, and any tire compound differences.
Maybe if IndyCar gets some more momentum then the schedule can be expanded in a few years.
Jordan
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 15, 2009 20:23:00 GMT -5
Well Mindy, assuming you really want to know why lots of us don't care for Roger, I'll tell you my feelings. Roger took open wheel racing from a sport to a business, now sooner or later somebody would have done it, maybe, but he did it. He got and spent the most money. There is an old saying ' speed costs money, how fast do you want to go". Roger priced many good people out of the sport, and forced many others out because he controlled either the engine or chassis distribution. Roger was one of the few people who could have avoided the split, but he did not make an effort. When CART was failing, he was the first to jump ship and go IRL. Again, there were many other factors involved, but he did it. Roger, along with Chip (the other big money player) has turned open wheel racing into a 2 team joke.
Now maybe all this was inevitable, but he is the one who did it.
There is a lot more to this, or any other story, but that is a start.
My $.02
Craig
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 20:24:38 GMT -5
I heard on the SPEED Report that the new cars were going to be like "stealth bombers".
Of course that was from everyone's favorite journalist Robin Miller so...
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Post by indy on Dec 15, 2009 21:44:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 3:44:38 GMT -5
Well Mindy, assuming you really want to know why lots of us don't care for Roger, I'll tell you my feelings. Roger took open wheel racing from a sport to a business, now sooner or later somebody would have done it, maybe, but he did it. He got and spent the most money. There is an old saying ' speed costs money, how fast do you want to go". Roger priced many good people out of the sport, and forced many others out because he controlled either the engine or chassis distribution. Roger was one of the few people who could have avoided the split, but he did not make an effort. When CART was failing, he was the first to jump ship and go IRL. Again, there were many other factors involved, but he did it. Roger, along with Chip (the other big money player) has turned open wheel racing into a 2 team joke. Now maybe all this was inevitable, but he is the one who did it. There is a lot more to this, or any other story, but that is a start. My $.02 Craig AMEN!!!! And add to that Old Rog forcing out Dan Gurney's Eagle Chassis in the 1990's and the acid dipped Camero Penske got caught trying to run in Can-Am, and now you know why I hate him too! It's like rooting for U. S Steel or Bank of America. Best to you Russ |
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Post by SWT500 on Dec 16, 2009 8:19:18 GMT -5
Let's not forget about Mr. Haas and Mr. Penske who used all their influence and prevented Porsche from introducing the first carbon fiber chassis to CART, which prompted their departure. We have discussed the split previously and opinions vary. I believe that anytime the tail wags the proverbial dog, it's bad. As for the schedule, I am sad but can live with it. The cars, tires and engines are a known quantity. Unless weather becomes a factor, things will be OK. Regarding attendance at practice and qualifying, I say throw the gates open, charge $1 and get the people in there. The yellow shirts and parking attendants are there anyway, so let them work. Those who attend will eat, drink and buy souvenirs. Goodness gracious (tongue in cheek), they might even get excited and buy race tickets. IMO, the so-called split cost the Indy 500 most of an entire generation of fans and it is necessary to recruit the newer ones.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Dec 16, 2009 8:48:11 GMT -5
I know the split took me out of the equation. I refused to go watch a dentist make a mockery of driving in the 500. As for throwing the gates open, I remember paying 50 cents for practice and 2 bucks for qualifying. My mom knew I wouldn't be home for mother's day because I'd be in Indy. I'd call her from a pay phone outside turn one. Ah well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 9:49:12 GMT -5
What is needed at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway now is a person like Wilbur Shaw.....A person that sees the magical quality of the place, not the "money pit" it has become. Someone who really cares.
Best to you all!
Russ
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Post by lance on Dec 16, 2009 13:07:57 GMT -5
While I do not love Penske, I certainly do not lay all the blame at his feet. He is not the only one to influence rules or spend money to get an advantage. Foyt was largely responsible for pulling strings with usac to change the boost limits to discourage Porsche from coming with Interscope in the early 80's and has been known to find some other creative ways of going fast. More than one or two teams have overrode a pop off valve , used nitrous ( even St. Gurney used this trick while running his westlake) , used over sized turbos ( after the inspection seals would be installed , teams would install an over sized turbo and put a counterfeit seal in place, usac would not bother to reinspect them because they thought their seal was still in place) . Its easy to vilify and lay the faults of the world at the feet of the guy you don't cheer for and put your favorite team or driver on a pedestal. Unfortunately this can often cloud reality, there is plenty of fault to go around. As for opening the gates or charging a buck to get in , this is a great idea !!!! HELL , I WOULD LET EVERY ONE IN FREE ! I feel they owe the fans at least that much. racing has lost more than a generation of fans , it has lost much of the fans from previous generations and many from future generations ( who will introduce them to racing? ). It will take much more than a slick add campaign to get the fans back! Lance
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Post by mrindy77 on Dec 16, 2009 13:33:35 GMT -5
Hypothetical.......if you were a driver and the Captain offered you a ride for the 500 would you turn it down?
Just for the record it is Mrindy77 not Mindy...
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Post by SWT500 on Dec 16, 2009 13:39:44 GMT -5
It seems that we are all "split" on the issues at hand but "unified" in our love for the greatest race in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 13:51:00 GMT -5
It seems that we are all "split" on the issues at hand but "unified" in our love for the greatest race in the world. Well said, well spoken, lets put this issue to bed. One thing we agree upon is this has been handle poorly on all sides. Best to you! Russ |
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Post by indy on Dec 16, 2009 13:51:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think we are going to change anyone's mind here. We all (seem to) agree on the schedule being slashed really stinks for us as die hard fans and we'd all like to restore the Indy 500 to something that excites fans from before May until well after race day.
Let's keep the thread looking forward.
Jordan
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 16, 2009 21:28:55 GMT -5
Sorry about the typo Mrindy, it was not intentional. If I was a driver and Roger or Chip called, you bet I would jump at the chance. The most money and the best cars, I think anyone would. You asked why some of us did not like Roger, and I gave my opinion. As I have said before, we can disagree, and still be friends.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 13:28:51 GMT -5
Can you say "brain dead"? Why screw around with tradition? Seems the 1998-2000 format didn't work too well back at that point in time.
If anything, this "sham schedule" is going to put even more pressure on the smaller teams. I also believe the vendors are going to take a bath on this as well. A small practice crowd is better than no crowd.
And here's another factor; the weather. What if this great
"all in one weekend" plan gets rained out?
I fully agree that the ascension of the bean counters is already starting to take its toll and we're not even to May yet. At least I figured my vacation somewhat right as these dingbats didn't have things figured out on December 10. I believe the release was dated the 9th but no one at the IMS ticket office even knew anything when I called on the 10th. Not the ticket offices fault, just bad communication.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by professor on Dec 26, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
does anyone think that the price of a bronze badge will be reduced in accordance with the reduced schedule? Not!
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Pretty disappointing for those of us that loved the Indy 500 being "The Month of May"
