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Post by jamesharvey on Jul 4, 2023 11:09:23 GMT -5
I am working on Gary Doucette's 1923 Indy winner. I need some advice on decal application. The "HCS Special" is a three part decal. What is the proper sequence? There is a blue winged decal, a red center, and a yellow winged decal. Which goes on first, the blue or the yellow?
Thanks,
Jim
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Post by indycals on Jul 4, 2023 13:13:13 GMT -5
I don't think the yellow should be there. It's not on the restored car and I checked original pics and the wings were definitely white.   |
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Post by indycals on Jul 4, 2023 13:17:37 GMT -5
I'm also curious - what color are his numbers? I have a suspicion the restored car is not correct.
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Post by jamesharvey on Jul 4, 2023 13:41:46 GMT -5
The numbers are red and seem right to me. I am pretty sure these are Fred Cady decals since I have an old sheet (#556) that is a match for this set of decals.
I saw the restored car when it came back to the Speedway for the Centennial in 2010. They told me they had spent more than $1,000,000 on the restoration and just finished it in time to bring to back. I am curious about the yellow pipes on the lower left side of the car. I assume these are for the intake manifold? I think the same people own both of the cars in your photo.
Thanks, Jim
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Post by indycals on Jul 4, 2023 14:05:43 GMT -5
Here's why I think the numbers are wrong. The key is in the black and white photo. You state the decals you have the wings are blue with a red center. If you look at the black and white photo the wings and shield are the same color and the stripes are very dark. We can safely assume the shield is blue and the stripes are red. And from what I know about black and white images of the time - red photographed almost black, and blue phtoographed lighter than red. So going by the black and white photo the red stripes are in fact nearly black and the wings and shield are noticeably lighter. But if you look closer - if the numbers were red they should be almost black as well, but they are the same shade as the wings - which tells me the numbers were probably blue.
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Post by indycals on Jul 4, 2023 14:07:37 GMT -5
In either case it's clear the wings should be blue, not red as they are on the restored car.
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 4, 2023 14:11:36 GMT -5
I'm also curious - what color are his numbers? I have a suspicion the restored car is not correct. Now I’m curious what color you have a suspicion the numbers were? Always fascinating to me trying to decipher colors of black and whit photos, restored cars, word of mouth and entry list info. This is a beautiful machine and I hope to see it in person sometime either way |
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Post by indycals on Jul 4, 2023 14:24:52 GMT -5
See my post above as to why I think the numbers were blue. Apart from the color discrepancies it looks like they did a very faithful restoration. I am 100% certain about the wings, I am not 100% on the numbers. The number on top of the car indicates blue, but the number at the back could be used to make a case for red. But the image quality of the number on top is much better than the number at the back.
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 4, 2023 15:44:04 GMT -5
See my post above as to why I think the numbers were blue. Apart from the color discrepancies it looks like they did a very faithful restoration. I am 100% certain about the wings, I am not 100% on the numbers. The number on top of the car indicates blue, but the number at the back could be used to make a case for red. But the image quality of the number on top is much better than the number at the back. Fascinating. I see exactly what you mean. The 1 on the side and the Stutz wings and lettering certainly appear to be the same and different from the nose. Very interesting indeed. Thank you for the insight. |
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Post by arcticwolf on Jul 4, 2023 16:49:25 GMT -5
Here's why I think the numbers are wrong. The key is in the black and white photo. You state the decals you have the wings are blue with a red center. If you look at the black and white photo the wings and shield are the same color and the stripes are very dark. We can safely assume the shield is blue and the stripes are red. And from what I know about black and white images of the time - red photographed almost black, and blue phtoographed lighter than red. So going by the black and white photo the red stripes are in fact nearly black and the wings and shield are noticeably lighter. But if you look closer - if the numbers were red they should be almost black as well, but they are the same shade as the wings - which tells me the numbers were probably blue. If I look at the B&W photo, I see the hood straps, seat upholstery and numbers as all matching density and sheen, meaning the numbers may well have been.....black?
We do know the tires on the restored car are wrong, lol.
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Post by indycals on Jul 6, 2023 18:31:00 GMT -5
Just FYI, I just saw a recent photo - the 1923 winner in my pic above (the restored version) has now been fitted with white tires.
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 6, 2023 21:09:41 GMT -5
Just FYI, I just saw a recent photo - the 1923 winner in my pic above (the restored version) has now been fitted with white tires. It has indeed. I saw it today. Along with many other incredible machines at the Miller Meet |
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Post by indydog on Jul 7, 2023 2:32:13 GMT -5
Just FYI, I just saw a recent photo - the 1923 winner in my pic above (the restored version) has now been fitted with white tires. It has indeed. I saw it today. Along with many other incredible machines at the Miller Meet We expect pictures.... lots of pictures. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 7, 2023 3:21:58 GMT -5
It has indeed. I saw it today. Along with many other incredible machines at the Miller Meet We expect pictures.... lots of pictures. I seriously think I took probably 800 total yesterday. 😂 I started sorting through them when I got home last night. Just iPhone photos nothing special. |
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