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Post by landoflogic on May 13, 2023 22:27:48 GMT -5
Hello, I posted this in the Formula 1 section accidentally, so I moved it to the correct spot. I am going to make AJ Foyt's '89 car my next project. The kit I'm using will be the AMT Lola T8900 Newman-Haas car. The car has the right wings and is close enough to what Foyt drove to use it as a base. However, the T8900 only ever came with a Chevy engine, and Foyt drove a Ford Cosworth. I don't know how accurate the kit engine is, or if it even is a Chevy at all, but it just does not seem right to build an AJ Foyt car with a Chevy. I feel like he would smack me like he did Arie if he saw that I made his car with a Chevy engine  . Does anybody know where I could get a Cosworth engine for the car without buying an entirely different kit just for that purpose? Thanks, Elijah |
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 13, 2023 23:50:40 GMT -5
Hello, I posted this in the Formula 1 section accidentally, so I moved it to the correct spot. I am going to make AJ Foyt's '89 car my next project. The kit I'm using will be the AMT Lola T8900 Newman-Haas car. The car has the right wings and is close enough to what Foyt drove to use it as a base. However, the T8900 only ever came with a Chevy engine, and Foyt drove a Ford Cosworth. I don't know how accurate the kit engine is, or if it even is a Chevy at all, but it just does not seem right to build an AJ Foyt car with a Chevy. I feel like he would smack me like he did Arie if he saw that I made his car with a Chevy engine . Does anybody know where I could get a Cosworth engine for the car without buying an entirely different kit just for that purpose? Thanks, Elijah The AMT Lolas are all essentially the same kits. Pop off valve location on the engine and the engine cover are different between the cosworths and the Chevys. As well as the valve covers. Obviously Cosworth and Chevrolet on those. The fords pop offs are further to the rear. I’m not sure how different the rest of the engines are to each other. |
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Post by pje on May 14, 2023 13:49:13 GMT -5
Kyle is right. It isn’t just about the engine but the engine cover too. Although the blocks of the Chevy and Cosworth engines are very similar, there are subtle differences.
I suggest that you would enjoy your build a lot more by saving the Newman Haas Lola and get yourself the Dick Simon Amway Speedway Lola kit. There are a number on EBay for $20.00.
Good luck with your build!
Paul Erlendson
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 14, 2023 16:47:11 GMT -5
Kyle is right. It isn’t just about the engine but the engine cover too. Although the blocks of the Chevy and Cosworth engines are very similar, there are subtle differences. I suggest that you would enjoy your build a lot more by saving the Newman Haas Lola and get yourself the Dick Simon Amway Speedway Lola kit. There are a number on EBay for $20.00. Good luck with your build! Paul Erlendson Agreed. Or the Luyendyk Provimi Veal kit also has a Cosworth. Save that Chevy kit and build it as another 88/89 car!! |
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Post by landoflogic on May 14, 2023 17:43:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the input!
I went ahead and bought a Provimi Veal Cosworth. I also realized I had a Danny Sullivan '88 Penske in my closet that my dad sort of started when the kit first came out, but realized he wasn't any good at modeling so gave up. I'll probably use the rear wing from that kit since it is similar to the one Foyt had. The Provimi Veal car as far as I am aware comes with a different wing than what the Foyt car had.
What cars could I make outside the Andretti kit car using the Chevy kit?
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Post by pje on May 14, 2023 20:21:57 GMT -5
I recommended the 1989 Dick Simon car because it best represents a 1989 Lola Cosworth car. That includes the different shape under the roll bar and it has the correct 1989 style rear wing.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by landoflogic on May 14, 2023 21:17:41 GMT -5
I recommended the 1989 Dick Simon car because it best represents a 1989 Lola Cosworth car. That includes the different shape under the roll bar and it has the correct 1989 style rear wing. Paul Erlendson Hi Paul, I had no idea those cars were that different. I just bought the Provimi Veal Car because it was molded in black like the Foyt car and the eBay seller made me an offer not long after I had looked at it. I did read on IndyCals that the Amway kit sometimes has 88 bodywork and sometimes has 89 bodywork. There's no way to tell which is which unless you open it. I was hesitant because I like getting sealed kits to ensure the parts are all there, and trying to figure out which kit is which by looking at the images the seller added can also be difficult. It seemed like it would be a gamble whether I got the right car. AMT really made a would-be easy project difficult with all the differences and oddities in these kits. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 14, 2023 21:40:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the input! I went ahead and bought a Provimi Veal Cosworth. I also realized I had a Danny Sullivan '88 Penske in my closet that my dad sort of started when the kit first came out, but realized he wasn't any good at modeling so gave up. I'll probably use the rear wing from that kit since it is similar to the one Foyt had. The Provimi Veal car as far as I am aware comes with a different wing than what the Foyt car had. What cars could I make outside the Andretti kit car using the Chevy kit? I like to scroll Indycals website and pick out paint schemes I like. Could always build almost anything curbside. And if you look at photos of the starting lineup there appears to be a wide variety of pop off valve locations, wing shapes and even some bodywork differences. It’s a crap shoot and amt didn’t make it any easier. |
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Post by landoflogic on May 14, 2023 21:56:21 GMT -5
I agree Kyle,
Part of the reason I bought the 89 Andretti car was that your Pancho Carter build on Scalemates looked pretty darn close to the Foyt car in terms of positioning of the pop-off valve and wing shape. In fact, it looks inaccurate for the Andretti car, as the real car had the pop-off valve close to the roll bar. I'll surely figure something out, but I wish I had gone with the Amway car like Paul suggested. Live and learn, and maybe I'll improve my modifying skills. With how far back the pop-off valve is on the Carter car, part of me hopes the Cosworth will just magically fit, but it's never that easy!
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Post by pje on May 14, 2023 22:28:35 GMT -5
I do stand corrected. I just checked my Amway kit and it is a 1988 Lola. I had forgotten that it was inconsistently packaged.
Sorry to mislead you.
Paul Erlendson
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 14, 2023 22:35:24 GMT -5
I recommended the 1989 Dick Simon car because it best represents a 1989 Lola Cosworth car. That includes the different shape under the roll bar and it has the correct 1989 style rear wing. Paul Erlendson Hi Paul, I had no idea those cars were that different. I just bought the Provimi Veal Car because it was molded in black like the Foyt car and the eBay seller made me an offer not long after I had looked at it. I did read on IndyCals that the Amway kit sometimes has 88 bodywork and sometimes has 89 bodywork. There's no way to tell which is which unless you open it. I was hesitant because I like getting sealed kits to ensure the parts are all there, and trying to figure out which kit is which by looking at the images the seller added can also be difficult. It seemed like it would be a gamble whether I got the right car. AMT really made a would-be easy project difficult with all the differences and oddities in these kits. This is true. I have one of each of the Cosworth kits. Both were sealed when I bought them. I opened them both and they are identical sprue by sprue. Just one molded in white and one molded in black. The box art of my Brayton car does show the 89 wing but it’s not in my boxing. So no guarantees about getting the 89 pieces. I think amt just really didn’t care. Lol. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 14, 2023 22:44:14 GMT -5
I agree Kyle, Part of the reason I bought the 89 Andretti car was that your Pancho Carter build on Scalemates looked pretty darn close to the Foyt car in terms of positioning of the pop-off valve and wing shape. In fact, it looks inaccurate for the Andretti car, as the real car had the pop-off valve close to the roll bar. I'll surely figure something out, but I wish I had gone with the Amway car like Paul suggested. Live and learn, and maybe I'll improve my modifying skills. With how far back the pop-off valve is on the Carter car, part of me hopes the Cosworth will just magically fit, but it's never that easy! Ah, I really enjoyed that build. It’s still missing a mirror. Lol. That was built with the Michael Andretti T90 box art amt kit. Never understand why they used a T90 for an 89 kit but it’s amt so everything is inconsistent. If you like that pop off location for your Foyt build then go ahead and use it!! That car was also a Cosworth but I had always planned to build it curbside so I wasn’t particularly bothered about the Chevy engine or exact pop off locations. They were all over the place with those it seems like. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 14, 2023 22:47:07 GMT -5
Another possibility if you like the location of the pop off on the Andrettis T89 is using the valve covers from your incoming Cosworth kit on the Chevy engine from your Andretti kit. I think they’re pretty similar on those kits everywhere under the plenum. Just another thought. I love the old amt kits. They’re always a fun build for me. Have fun with yours!
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Post by landoflogic on May 14, 2023 23:15:22 GMT -5
Another possibility if you like the location of the pop off on the Andrettis T89 is using the valve covers from your incoming Cosworth kit on the Chevy engine from your Andretti kit. I think they’re pretty similar on those kits everywhere under the plenum. Just another thought. I love the old amt kits. They’re always a fun build for me. Have fun with yours! Honestly, the pop-off valve location isn't as much of a big deal for me, so long as it isn't super close to the roll bar. I really just want the ducts in the sidepod that the '89 car had. I may just hold off on cementing the pop-off valve until I have the Cosworth engine in (if I swap them), and then just place the pop-off valve where ever it lines up with the opening in the valve cover. As you said, they may line up pretty well on their own. But I may just say "screw it" and use the Chevy engine for simplicity. It's more important to enjoy building it than struggling to get something accurate that nobody other than you will notice. Such is the way of the modeler! |
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Post by kyledehart5 on May 15, 2023 0:22:08 GMT -5
Another possibility if you like the location of the pop off on the Andrettis T89 is using the valve covers from your incoming Cosworth kit on the Chevy engine from your Andretti kit. I think they’re pretty similar on those kits everywhere under the plenum. Just another thought. I love the old amt kits. They’re always a fun build for me. Have fun with yours! Honestly, the pop-off valve location isn't as much of a big deal for me, so long as it isn't super close to the roll bar. I really just want the ducts in the sidepod that the '89 car had. I may just hold off on cementing the pop-off valve until I have the Cosworth engine in (if I swap them), and then just place the pop-off valve where ever it lines up with the opening in the valve cover. As you said, they may line up pretty well on their own. But I may just say "screw it" and use the Chevy engine for simplicity. It's more important to enjoy building it than struggling to get something accurate that nobody other than you will notice. Such is the way of the modeler! I certainly agree. It’s why I just made Pancho’s car a curbside rather than bothering with it having the wrong engine. I have a great respect for all these incredible builders we have on here, and I’ll modify and change things sometimes. Now, more than when I first re-entered the hobby but oftentimes I still just like to sling a kit together with no frills. So much fun with these and other old kits. |
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