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Post by racingforever on Apr 14, 2023 22:49:20 GMT -5
Especially in Pennsylvania! I'm all for Indycar going back to Pocono regardless of what anybody else thinks. Who's with me?
And my condolences to AJ Foyt's family
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Post by illeagle10 on Apr 15, 2023 14:30:09 GMT -5
I have been saying this for years! Whatever happened to the short ovals or any ovals for that matter? As a matter of fact Pocono was actually made for Indy Cars. It was the Indy of the East. It was also part of the Triple Crown. Unfortunately today people are more interested in the entertainment value of race venue than the race itself. Most people don't really care what about the race. I spend most of my time at most Indycar races explaining to the people around me what is happening in the race, because most of the time there off for another beer or waiting in line for something to eat! They're more worried about getting to the concert or how many rides they can get on? As far as Pocono is concerned I have always enjoyed it for Indy cars. I have never missed an Indy car race at Pocono. It is very laid back and you can get pretty close to the cars and drivers there. The speeds are just unbelievable especially down that front straight! They also have a pretty good legends car show there too! I think Rick Mears once put his finger on it some time ago, when he said something to the effect, If you want good racing take off those wings and let the drivers go at it. us.motorsport.com/indycar/news/rick-mears-sounds-indycar-warning/2957920/ Indy used to consist of very even amount Road and Street courses along with an equal amount of super speedway and short ovals. I always thought that's what separated Indy cars from all other forms of racing. Like I said, "what happened to the short ovals?" It's a shame what happened to Nazareth Speedway another speedway built specifically for Indy cars here in the northeast. I also never missed an Indy car race at Nazareth. Unfortunately today's racers are looking to race on road and street courses mainly looking to be a sub-catagory of F-1. However, Texas just shows what ovals can be like for us purest Indycar guys that like to go around in circles! Certainly miss Pocono and Nazareth! Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox! Jim |
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Post by Gary Davis on Apr 15, 2023 14:44:16 GMT -5
Man....I'm with you 110% on ALL the above.Street courses should just GO AWAY. More circle track's for sure...and Less road courses.
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Post by arcticwolf on Apr 16, 2023 6:48:05 GMT -5
I miss the Milwaukee Mile, those little oval tracks were fun with Indycars, although they should have been fitted with nerf bars.
Lots of oval tracks available, but you have to talk to NASCAR. How about Indycars and Cup cars on a double header weekend at Atlanta?
Or Indycars at Darlington, that would sort out who can drive and who can't.  |
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Post by Gary Davis on Apr 16, 2023 11:10:44 GMT -5
Leave Nascar out of it...unless it's the Whelen Modifieds. Now those are really cool cars. How about Indy cars and Modifieds( Whelen or SMART) on the same ticket. Now that would be really cool.
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Post by illeagle10 on Apr 16, 2023 15:53:39 GMT -5
Leave Nascar out of it...unless it's the Whelen Modifieds. Now those are really cool cars. How about Indy cars and Modifieds( Whelen or SMART) on the same ticket. Now that would be really cool. Gary, That's what they used to run at Nazareth on Indy weekend. NASCAR Whelen modifieds and Indy cars! Those modifieds used to fly! Indy cars would average just under 170mph per lap, the modifieds were in the 150mph range! Today, both Nazareth tracks are gone, Dorney Park and the Fairgrounds are gone. Langhorne and Trenton were somewhat close by for us too and they are gone. We had a lot of racing in our area at one time, now it is only Pocono no Indycars only NASCAR.......The last small time speedway in our area is Grandview and they're trying to sell that one too. Jim |
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Post by Gary Davis on Apr 16, 2023 16:37:52 GMT -5
Man....I hear you Jim. Tracks are closing ALL over the U.S. I just watched the Long Beach Indy race and I sure don't like street course racing. Too narrow for good racing...as far as I am concerned anyway. It's very sad indeed.
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Post by arcticwolf on Apr 16, 2023 21:00:27 GMT -5
Leave Nascar out of it...unless it's the Whelen Modifieds. Now those are really cool cars. How about Indy cars and Modifieds( Whelen or SMART) on the same ticket. Now that would be really cool. Gary, I'm no fan of NASCAR, or the cars, or a lot of the drivers. But they do have the race tracks! |
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Post by Gary Davis on Apr 16, 2023 21:19:17 GMT -5
I hear you there.
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Post by vintagerpm on Apr 17, 2023 7:02:03 GMT -5
Man....I'm with you 110% on ALL the above.Street courses should just GO AWAY. More circle track's for sure...and Less road courses. You're rehashing the open-wheel wars. The oval-centric series won, yet it now looks like the losing road race series. there is a reason for that. Think about it. |
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Post by sam198 on Apr 17, 2023 8:02:34 GMT -5
Man....I'm with you 110% on ALL the above.Street courses should just GO AWAY. More circle track's for sure...and Less road courses. You're rehashing the open-wheel wars. The oval-centric series won, yet it now looks like the losing road race series. there is a reason for that. Think about it. Yes, but what that reason is open for debate. |
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Post by Gary Davis on Apr 17, 2023 11:39:37 GMT -5
The reason....MONEY.
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Post by Calvin on Apr 17, 2023 11:45:39 GMT -5
Basically, it's the atmosphere and the spectacle of the event that draws people, not the racing.
I can almost garentee that if there was zero passes for the lead at long Beach for the next 5 years, there would still be just as much fans on the 6th year.
But if you get a Speedway that is only a quarter full, then instantly the spectacle is going to be less and humans feed energy off each other and instantly there is less of an electric atmosphere, before the race even starts.
Also, absolutely no one ever remembers a race because it had 30 lead changes, they only remember a good story like in 1987, when almost everyone was separated by laps and wasn't a close race at all.
Mario dominated, had car trouble, Guerrero stalled in the pits and AL Unser won his 4th 500.
Everyone says, that was a great race! 😂
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Post by indycals on Apr 19, 2023 2:11:55 GMT -5
I miss the Milwaukee Mile, those little oval tracks were fun with Indycars, although they should have been fitted with nerf bars. Lots of oval tracks available, but you have to talk to NASCAR. How about Indycars and Cup cars on a double header weekend at Atlanta? Or Indycars at Darlington, that would sort out who can drive and who can't. When Indycar and NASCAR did the double header at IMS a couple years ago the NASCAR fans showed up after the Indycar race and the Indycar fans left after the Indycar race. Now pairing up with IMSA? YES! The Saturday crowd at Long Beach was 98% as full as the Sunday crowd. IMSA and Indycar go great together. It may not be ovals but the reality is outside IMS the fans don't support the ovals. Like it or not IMSA and WEC are in the best position right now. |
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