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Post by vintagerpm on Jan 5, 2023 13:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by Calvin on Jan 5, 2023 13:36:49 GMT -5
I'll believe it, when I see it.
There's just so many odds going against anyone wanting to start a new f1 team. Such a tall order.
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Post by sam198 on Jan 5, 2023 13:56:05 GMT -5
I'll believe it, when I see it. There's just so many odds going against anyone wanting to start a new f1 team. Such a tall order. Not to mention that the FIA has, in my view, an inherent bias against most things US. That Logan Sargeant has a Superlicense but Colton Herta can't get one is ridiculous. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jan 5, 2023 14:20:18 GMT -5
I agree it’s a long shot but the brand does add some legitimacy to Andretti’s bid. I think it would be cool if it happens but will not hold my breath.
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Post by indy on Jan 5, 2023 15:06:46 GMT -5
The Race just did a good video on why there is a better chance now for a new team.
I think a new constructor makes the Andretti bid even better.
Wonder if this will be a Caddy-Ilmor, Caddy-Cossy, or an in house engine...
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on Jan 5, 2023 22:37:52 GMT -5
I'll believe it, when I see it. There's just so many odds going against anyone wanting to start a new f1 team. Such a tall order. Not to mention that the FIA has, in my view, an inherent bias against most things US. That Logan Sargeant has a Superlicense but Colton Herta can't get one is ridiculous. I also don't see the established teams wanting to share prize money either! |
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Post by sam198 on Jan 5, 2023 23:28:21 GMT -5
Mostly off the subject. I am loath to say this, but I miss Bernie being in charge. He was slime, but he knew it, and he didn't care. I admit to never having seen "Drive To Survive", but from what I understand is that it is a glorified reality TV show. There was never a need to manufacture a soap opera when Ecclestone was around.
I wish that the current owners of all racing series would stop trying to be "fair". Racing has never been about being fair. It also should stop with all the "Green" BS. There is nothing "Green", or even practical about tires that are clapped out after 5 miles. My interest in F1 has waned greatly over the last few years. It may come back, it may not, I'll be fine either way. Oh, yeah, the cars are hideous as well. Rant over.
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Post by vintagerpm on Jan 6, 2023 8:59:48 GMT -5
The Race just did a good video on why there is a better chance now for a new team. I think a new constructor makes the Andretti bid even better. Wonder if this will be a Caddy-Ilmor, Caddy-Cossy, or an in house engine... Jordan While Ilmor and Cosworth were first to come to me, too, it appears that is not the case. Remember Mario said they already had an agreement with Renault for engines. And the Andretti Indy Car team uses Hondas, who apparently have joint projects with GM. So the thinking goes they would initially use rebadged Renaults, followed by rebadged Hondas starting in 2026. Mike |
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Post by quattro on Jan 7, 2023 18:52:39 GMT -5
Understand the thought that the other teams would not want to have a smaller slice
of the prize money given the current structure.
But the U.S.A. has embraced F1, for now, and we all know that brings with it even more dosh.
Surely the pot is already that much bigger.
That blasted TV show has meant F1 has opened up all manner of possibilities Stateside
in a way Bernie and others were not able to.
I reckon the other teams know what is good for them and should do whatever they can
to embrace anything from the States in their fold.
However.
The first battle is for the sponsorship money before you even get to the track.
The minute the other teams get wind of who might sponsor an Andretti effort,
they will be banging down the door to that board room to tell them they are established and know their stuff.
Then again, any manufacturer would want to have their brand linked
to one of the biggest names in U.S. motorsport.
Yup Herta should be in there, but Logan did his time in Europe and that is what the 'scouts' look at.
But do think the FIA need to rejig how they look at Indycar and Super Formula drivers and license qualifying systems.
I just hope that if this gets going then Mr M. Andretti goes into it heart and soul.
Not sure he did when he was peddling that McLaren in 1993.
And I really do hope there is some overspill in popularity towards Indycars.
Give it a five year programme and go from there.
I do wonder how long the popularity of F1 in the U.S. will hold sway......
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Post by racingforever on Jan 24, 2023 0:07:31 GMT -5
I'm rather disappointed that they aren't using Buick instead of Cadillac. IMO, I'm not a Caddy fan and I'm surprised that Cadillac has racing success. I just wish Buick had more luck and would also return to Indycar racing. And more disappointed about the fact that Ferrari is not gonna be providing power units to Andretti. Which would make perfect poetic sense since Andretti is Italian-American. Combined with the fact that Mario Andretti has won some F1 and sportscar races with Ferrari power.
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Post by vintagerpm on Jan 24, 2023 6:50:23 GMT -5
I'm rather disappointed that they aren't using Buick instead of Cadillac. IMO, I'm not a Caddy fan and I'm surprised that Cadillac has racing success. I just wish Buick had more luck and would also return to Indycar racing. And more disappointed about the fact that Ferrari is not gonna be providing power units to Andretti. Which would make perfect poetic sense since Andretti is Italian-American. Combined with the fact that Mario Andretti has won some F1 and sportscar races with Ferrari power. I agree it would be "poetic" for Andretti to use Ferrari engines. But Buick would never be in F1. To my knowledge, it is not an international brand, merely North American. (Buicks are basically American made Opels.) Cadillac wants to up their visibility internationally and be spoken of in the same terms as Mercedes and others. Mike |
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Post by Chris on Jan 24, 2023 18:49:06 GMT -5
Wasnt the 1960's 215 cubic inch Rover Formula One engine and others based on a Buick Block? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Also known as the some what successful Repco V8!! Chris
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Post by hurtubise56 on Jan 24, 2023 19:08:23 GMT -5
FYI, the Repco V8 was based on the Olds 215 ci aluminum block. Jack Brabham used the Repco. The Rover was Buick. The Rover was in Gurney's '63 Rookie Mickey Thompson car.
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Post by arcticwolf on Jan 24, 2023 21:48:41 GMT -5
FYI, the Repco V8 was based on the Olds 215 ci aluminum block. Jack Brabham used the Repco. The Rover was Buick. The Rover was in Gurney's '63 Rookie Mickey Thompson car. Yep. Same basic block for both, but the Olds had flat topped pistons, larger valves, six bolt heads, a few other goodies. There was also a turbocharged version of the Olds. Rover was a Buick, Repco (not the twin cam version, SOHC only) used the Olds. A customer had one in a TR8, with a high rise intake and a Holley carb. I built an exhaust system for it, the thing went like a scared cat. Allegedly they can be punched out to 5 litres, but I've never seen one.
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Post by vintagerpm on Jan 25, 2023 10:39:04 GMT -5
Wasnt the 1960's 215 cubic inch Rover Formula One engine and others based on a Buick Block? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Also known as the some what successful Repco V8!! Chris Different rules package and not badged as a Buick. Mike |
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Post by racingforever on Jan 26, 2023 23:19:47 GMT -5
Here’s my opinion about Cadillac and Michael Andretti entering F1
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Post by Michael Chriss on Jan 28, 2023 20:00:21 GMT -5
I have wondered for years why F1 gives the cold shoulder to American involvement. Sure, they have races here, but they make millions off those races and the promoters have no say in the sport. In 2016 Alexander Rossi was at the Museum of Speed and I went. At the Q & A he was asked about Haas F1 and he definitely was sporting a 'tude toward them. I couldn't hear him well and the child distracted me. I wish I could have heard what he had to say about it. Recently I have been thinking about it and I have a theory. The USA is the most affluent, technically advanced, powerful country. If it were to develop a serious interest in F1 it could possibly become the main power in the sport. Just a thought.
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Post by arcticwolf on Feb 3, 2023 11:58:28 GMT -5
Ford is coming back, as an "engine supplier" to Red Bull.
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Post by vintagerpm on Feb 3, 2023 16:32:31 GMT -5
Ford is coming back, as an "engine supplier" to Red Bull. It makes no sense. Ford is committed to an all electric fleet. They laid off their entire gasoline powertrain department. Mike |
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Post by arcticwolf on Feb 4, 2023 2:04:52 GMT -5
Ford is coming back, as an "engine supplier" to Red Bull. It makes no sense. Ford is committed to an all electric fleet. They laid off their entire gasoline powertrain department. Mike Very true, but isn't Cosworth still in business?
I agree that from a marketing standpoint it's a bit odd.
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