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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 17, 2021 22:51:19 GMT -5
Hi guys. The old Protar kit. Since I finished the last one, and this being the only other Protar in my inventory (for which due thanks be given), I thought I'd build it and get it over with. At least it has less screws than the FIAT.  It should be an OOB build, but A, it's a Protar and B, it's me building it, lol, so a few mods thrown in. As usual, no, the parts don't fit, but we have ways, so what you see has 4 screws and the rest is glued and CA'd together.
I substituted steel pins for the plastic tie rods, also the brake lines, used the rubber tubing for the flex parts. So far it's taken twice as long as a Tamiya kit would have. The kit builds an early season version of the 82 car, after Canada they got rid of the rocker arm front suspension and the transverse gearbox. I just don't have the parts to do a late season conversion of it otherwise I would have. I still need one front tire for this beast, if anybody has a spare (not likely!!)............
stay safe everybody
Paul
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Post by hurtubise56 on Dec 18, 2021 8:56:16 GMT -5
Protar or not, that looks great! Wish I could help with the tire problem.
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Post by Gary Davis on Dec 18, 2021 12:33:29 GMT -5
That's looking good Paul. That's a bummer you don't have both front tires. If you had to.... could you mold one?
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Post by kyledehart5 on Dec 18, 2021 15:48:24 GMT -5
Polishing up another Protar, excellent. As always you’re off to a great start and I look forward to following along.
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 18, 2021 17:56:34 GMT -5
That's looking good Paul. That's a bummer you don't have both front tires. If you had to.... could you mold one? Gary, the answer is an unequivocal maybe. More likely I could mold a Heller Ligier tire that I could modify to fit, but I'm still hoping for an easier way out.
You guys might like this.
The Protar tire sizes are wrong. OK, I think they are.
Kit tires are Front 25.0/9.5 - 15 Rear 26.0/14.5-13 my vernier plus some math tells me that they really are scaled to that
As per Ferrari Front 23.5/10 -13 Rear 26.0/15.5 - 13
As per F1Technical Front 23.5/10 - 13 Rear 26.0/15.5 - 15
another site had Front 23.5/10 - 15 Rear 26.0/15.5 -15
Its hard to believe anything these days!!! 
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 23, 2021 14:21:13 GMT -5
Progress report. Lots of work, little progress, lol. This might as well be a Heller kit. Excellent detail and it'll work nicely once you realize you have to make everything fit, because it basically doesn't.  So it's a bit more time consuming, no big deal. My normal approach, which I'm following here, is to disregard the specified order and install the major parts as soon as possible. So I had to finish off the front of the motor before I could install it. Shame that a lot of some nice detail will be buried, so c'est la vie.
Hopefully the rest I can do with the lump in place.
Everything lined up better than I expected for this part. It's firmly welded in place (plus two steel pins that won't be seen):
The kit tubing is useless, too small to fit over the pins (which are too brittle anyway), so I've subbed my normal supply, I think it looks better anyway.
A few nights work but so far I like the results.
This might end up as just a display chassis, not only do I have tire problems but I've now realized the body shell has a warp to it. Old kits, you take your chances. Maybe salvageable, we'll see.
Merry Christmas guys.
Paul
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Post by kyledehart5 on Dec 23, 2021 15:08:12 GMT -5
Paul, it’s looking good. Hope you can save the shell. I’ve only ever built one Protar kit and it was certainly…an experience. It doesn’t look terrible on my shelf though so it’s ok. Look forward to seeing it come together.
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 23, 2021 15:31:44 GMT -5
Paul, it’s looking good. Hope you can save the shell. I’ve only ever built one Protar kit and it was certainly…an experience. It doesn’t look terrible on my shelf though so it’s ok. Look forward to seeing it come together. Thank you Kyle.
This was a Protar kit, an absolute PITA (especially the glass), but if you persevere it did make a decent finished product:
Sorry! FENDER ALERT!!!  |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Dec 23, 2021 17:12:27 GMT -5
Man. That’s an absolutely killer result!! I also love anything with the Martini livery so I’m a big fan of that paint scheme. Protar had some excellent subject matter for their kits even if they are a lot of work.
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Post by Gary Davis on Dec 23, 2021 17:47:03 GMT -5
Paul...that 126 is really looking awesome!! Very clean work..
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 28, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -5
Man. That’s an absolutely killer result!! I also love anything with the Martini livery so I’m a big fan of that paint scheme. Protar had some excellent subject matter for their kits even if they are a lot of work. Thanks. I love the Martini scheme myself, on anything.
I agree about the Protars, and the same with Heller. Frustrating to build but a great finished product if you stay with it and improvise!
I had to build the Lancia, not many people realize that Villeneuve raced it.  |
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 28, 2021 13:10:54 GMT -5
I've been plodding along on this. Gave up after the first screw and went with styrene dowels and toothpics. I use toothpics a lot because they're tapered - quite useful!
Things lined up fairly well on this part, so far:
Even with the pins, I could make the suspension work, but the springs are so stiff it wouldn't move anyway, so I'll glue it all solid. It's not like I play with it on the floor. 
This is the offending tire:
Not only warped, it's slimey. Aaargh!
I might try modifying the Heller tires and rims for a mold and cast new fronts from scratch, it would be more accurate anyway. Wish me luck!
cheers
Paul
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Post by kyledehart5 on Dec 28, 2021 17:33:00 GMT -5
Always did love Lancias
It’s always a joy to see your work come together, but Oh my. That’s an ugly tire. You said to wish you luck so Good luck!
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Post by Gary Davis on Dec 29, 2021 14:17:48 GMT -5
Your work is great Paul!! That tire looks horrible. Your molded ones will be 1,000 times better, for sure!
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Post by elsapito on Dec 29, 2021 15:56:00 GMT -5
I've been plodding along on this. Gave up after the first screw and went with styrene dowels and toothpics. I use toothpics a lot because they're tapered - quite useful! Not only warped, it's slimey. Aaargh! I might try modifying the Heller tires and rims for a mold and cast new fronts from scratch, it would be more accurate anyway. Wish me luck! cheers Paul
Hi Paul! sorry for entering the thread like an elephant in a glass store, but I think I can help you... Would you like better 15" fronts, or 13"? and same for rears? in resin and without engraved letters and with more accurate measures... the rears are particularly horrible BR James PS: Ferrari used both 15" and 13" on both trains, with all the combinations imaginable. The latter the car, the more likely the 15" overall. Well, some images of my tires...   It took me a good while of research to get the better possible measures. But finally Id say I got it. Rears are smaller dimension than the Protar doughnuts, fronts, well the 15" is the same overall measures, and the 13" is also as it should. |
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Post by Gary Davis on Dec 29, 2021 18:07:27 GMT -5
Those really look good elsapito.
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 30, 2021 12:49:00 GMT -5
Those really look good elsapito. Yes they do. It's got my interest for sure! |
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 30, 2021 12:52:29 GMT -5
About those tires James;
if they are a solid resin casting, how did you get them on the Protar rims? Would I have to cut the rim into two pieces and rejoin it with the tire mounted between? Not that I mind, just curious.
Paul
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Post by hurtubise56 on Dec 30, 2021 13:19:16 GMT -5
I believe he casts the inner rim with the tire and casts his own separate outer rim for ease of painting. I have a set from e-Bay (that I think are his) for my Protar McLaren, they are excellent.
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Post by hurtubise56 on Dec 30, 2021 13:21:24 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the tail end of that car looks great, Paul! I'm with you, the older I get the less I care about working steering, suspensions, etc. Novelty has worn off, I guess!
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Post by arcticwolf on Dec 30, 2021 13:24:35 GMT -5
I believe he casts the inner rim with the tire and casts his own separate outer rim for ease of painting. I have a set from e-Bay (that I think are his) for my Protar McLaren, they are excellent. You mean the tires come with rims?
This is getting even better!
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Post by arcticwolf on Jan 2, 2022 20:30:39 GMT -5
The chassis is done. A lot of the kit piping got replaced with styrene tubing or braided line, other than that the kit parts are very nice. Just drill out the holes a little it helps! Added a few wires and lines. I used the kit seatbelts, easy to use and look pretty decent.
I tweaked the body a little, it seems to fit the chassis quite well now - now to make the floor fit everything! But it can sit on the shelf the way it is until I sort out the tire issues.
Thanks.
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jan 3, 2022 14:32:30 GMT -5
Great looking chassis. No surprise there! I hope you get the tire situation sorted out.
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Post by Gary Davis on Jan 3, 2022 15:17:03 GMT -5
That really looks good Paul!
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Post by hurtubise56 on Jan 3, 2022 17:23:11 GMT -5
Lookin' good, Paul! Go for the resin tires/wheels, I don't think you will regret it. I'm happy with my McLaren set and plan to buy more.
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Post by arcticwolf on Jan 3, 2022 21:31:31 GMT -5
Lookin' good, Paul! Go for the resin tires/wheels, I don't think you will regret it. I'm happy with my McLaren set and plan to buy more. I'm hoping to. I told James I'd like a set but I haven't heard back from him as yet. |
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Post by elsapito on Jan 4, 2022 12:09:16 GMT -5
You have a pm, Paul sorry for the delay! Thanks hurtubise for the good review and the explanation.  Yes, exactly it's what the fellow just explained. They are easy to use, I even took special care so the overall width of the car is accurate. And the rims surely fit well to the Protar hubs with its four small pins. AOn the model, great! Nice and detailed. If I have to point an unaccuracy, red camcovers were only used in late season (Monza onwards), which does not match the Protar model's front suspension layout and body, but anyway if you think it looks great (which it does), then why not! Nice work J |
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Post by arcticwolf on Jan 4, 2022 14:09:53 GMT -5
Oh great. NOW I find out why they were red in some pics and not in others.  Here I thought it was whatever the guy in the engine shop felt like that day, lol.
Whatever, I like red, they can stay red!
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Post by elsapito on Jan 5, 2022 10:52:42 GMT -5
Oh, yes. And to add to the confusion, most of restored cars have the red covers. Any doubt you have on the car, jsut ask!  |
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Post by indy on Jan 5, 2022 16:03:55 GMT -5
Good work so far, keep it up.
Jordan
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So it's a bit more time consuming, no big deal.
Here I thought it was whatever the guy in the engine shop felt like that day, lol.
