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Post by quattro on Oct 19, 2021 6:11:05 GMT -5
Hey fellas. Just a quickie and cannot think of anywhere better to ask. Not my favourite looking car but does anyone know what that 'yellow' colour on the No1 Sneva car from the '79 Indy 500 is?  Some interesting features on this one I thought I would explore compared to the standard M24B. I can probably find a match, looks a bit more like something from a 'military' range of colours rather than a nice clean racey colour choice. Just collating all the bits I need to crack into 1/32nd scale versions of the Sneva and Budweiser McLarens from that year. Thanks in advance and hopefully we get back to our regular programming after this little aside. Cheers Joe |
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Post by raceparke on Oct 19, 2021 7:02:21 GMT -5
Hi Joe,
I did a Mosley Sugaripe Eagle and used what I thought was a right-on spray color. Unfortunately I’m off my feet for a couple more weeks and can’t get to my shop to ID it. Soon as I can I’ll let you know.
Dan
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Post by raceparke on Oct 19, 2021 7:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by alwaysindy on Oct 19, 2021 9:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2021 10:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by indycals on Oct 19, 2021 14:05:35 GMT -5
Sugaripe colors were not always the same - my biscuit color applies to the 75 car as it is restored. I have seen evidence that this was the color in 1975. But it was not the same color in 73 and I can't speak for 79.
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Post by quattro on Oct 19, 2021 16:42:46 GMT -5
Chaps
Appreciate the info as always.
Those post are before my time so thanks for the pointers.
One thing that did come out of this is me being blown away by that collection from the old post.
Astounding.
Dan. You keep a load off mate. I will source something.
Got a few shots from the month of May to check on
(shouldn't be amazed at how an entered car can have so many detail changes thru the month)
and will head off to Halfords to check their paint range (that is an auto spares and accessories outlet over here).
Bound to find something close if not spot on.
Looking ahead, I do wonder if I should not just do the non Indy M24Bs
from '79 which would mean not having to re-profile the nose.
But then where is the fun in that?
Not the usual scale but will post something if it all works out.
Thank you again.
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Post by quattro on Oct 20, 2021 4:41:49 GMT -5
Chaps!
Think this is sorted.
Found two British Standards spec acrylic rattlers that should do the trick.
Big clue was the 'biscuit' description and that is exactly what I found.
Biscuit 369.
Also grabbing a Deep Creme 353 because I know, as was pointed out,
that screen depicted colours are not always a good indicator.
Of course I would have no idea what the equivalent numbers would be in North America
but will try and source the RAL code which seems fairly universal to work from.
Will test both on white and yellow primer and see what comes up.
Thanks again.
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Post by indy on Oct 22, 2021 9:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by indycals on Oct 23, 2021 2:34:52 GMT -5
I can see the biscuit color in the second photo. Keep in mind, even when I saw the 1975 car in 2016 or so, when I photographed it, it looked more yellow in my photos than it did in person and I needed to do some post-processing adjustments to get it right. This image captures the color pretty well - but again this is a restoration and even if it's correct for 1975, I have no way of knowing if its' right for 1979.  |
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Post by quattro on Oct 23, 2021 5:23:44 GMT -5
Guys
Again I cannot thank you enough for all the clues and pointers.
Obviously the hope is that anyone else taking the biscuit from any year finds all this most useful.
Looking at the pictures I hope to post my own front row in the not too distant future!
Looked at the second row too.....
Unser PC7. Check.
Foyt Parnelli. Planned.
Johncock narrow nosed Penske PC6. umm.......
This could get out of hand!
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Post by indycals on Oct 23, 2021 14:39:52 GMT -5
I will say this: Biscuit goes extremely well with the maroon - MUCH better than yellow.
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Post by quattro on Oct 28, 2021 19:06:01 GMT -5
Chaps Thus far the guidance has been invaluable in getting stuck into this project. Found one other decent shot but would like to ask one favour of the mass ranks if I may.  Believe this to be a pic from a practise or qualifying day. Pic is probably closer to biscuit but still yellowed. The race day shots tell me almost everything. However, what I cannot find on the interweb is a shot from above that clearly shows the way the maroon bands run down the flanks. Another call to arms, or at least archives if I may be so bold. Hope to show some progress soon on the actual model. |
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Post by gavkiwi on Oct 28, 2021 20:01:46 GMT -5
 hope that helps |
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Post by quattro on Oct 29, 2021 11:23:00 GMT -5
Hey chaps Time available to crack on with this project. Gavkiwi. Thank you. Between your shot and the others from Jordan and Michael I am on my way. So bit of background on the sourcing of basics. There is a slot car manufacturer in Spain. Slot Racing cars. They put out a not all together cheap version of the 1973 McLaren M23. Go to their online shop and you can get the bacic bits to put together a running chassis and basic body to get stuck into all manner of cosworth powered mid 1970's McLarens for a tidy much cheaper outlay. The basic body is there but may not be to exact proportions of the varuious M16s to M24s but a good base.  Sprayed up some test pieces. The 'Biscuit' was a bit too tan but the 'light creme' was as close as I could get to the shots I had and the pantone I matched the Sugaripe logo to. Even this shot does not match what you actually see in front of you. Have one more paint to come since finding these two to test and possibly use. Once the prune maroon is on it may 'balance' the shade to the eye better. The funny thing about the various pics is that you get many practise/qualifying pics and the actual race pics are what I will try to work from. What I have done is not entirely accurate and will improve certain proportions when i get round to the Rutherford car from that 1979 race. But it is not to be a static and will run so I can live with the slight inaccuracies. Be a while before I get on with anymore. Back on a nasty busy part of my roster at work...... |
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Post by quattro on Nov 2, 2021 19:42:20 GMT -5
Me again.
Just a quick aside.
Got digging into what I can find on M24s when I read about a Penske PC5!
Anybody got a pic of one or is it just a M24 clone?
Tar.
Joe
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Post by indy on Nov 2, 2021 20:49:47 GMT -5
Me again. Just a quick aside. Got digging into what I can find on M24s when I read about a Penske PC5! Anybody got a pic of one or is it just a M24 clone? Tar. Joe There is a McLaren here in town that I plan to measure (1977 Penske PC5 was a McLaren copy), just one critical area to address and I can finish it up with out much fuss. |
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Post by quattro on Nov 3, 2021 15:29:47 GMT -5
Progress.  So to the eye it looks pale creme. Then in this shot it looks pale yellow. Then in the sunlight it goes even more yellow. Blimey.... Finish is a bit rough and not entirely accurate but just gonna crack on. Clear Laquer tomorrow and get on with the front suspension and the other engine anxiliaries whilst the bod dries out. |
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Post by indy on Nov 3, 2021 18:09:58 GMT -5
McLaren and Gas Man both look good. Keep on it, the end result will look the part.
Jordan
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Post by quattro on Nov 5, 2021 13:08:53 GMT -5
Hi Chaps Still not my favourite car. Wonder if the realisation that I rushed it a bit is out of wanting to get it done and move on.  Lot of detail I am still not sure about but it runs well and on a par with the PC6 and PC7s I already have. Very much looking forward to applying what I learned from doing this one to getting stuck into the Rutherford Bud version. In the meantime, what I meant by moving on is below.  An Italian firm called Ostereoro do this kit of the 1980 Chaparral (Left). I have the 1979 decals from Indycals on hand. That will do the front row. Want to do a Foyt Parnelli and will then decide if I do the Johncock Penske to complete row two or the Ongais Parnelli. Or Both! I do have a quandry as a result of doing these. I can see so much more I can get on with. And only posting these here because although they are not statics, they are coming from what I have soaked up by looking at this section of this forum time and again as mentioned before. Thank you to those of you who chipped in to what was originally a quick question about colour. |
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Post by raceparke on Nov 6, 2021 6:45:26 GMT -5
Is there ever a quick question about color? 😵💫
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Post by quattro on Nov 16, 2021 4:50:37 GMT -5
Chaps Floating this one back to the top briefly just to show some progress on this project which keeps getting bigger as I go..... And I am still scratching my head over that Sugaripe car colour....... Budweiser M24b.   Thank heavens for Trimline!  Went for it with the driver fig. Few more decals to add.  Sonme of the vastly more experienced may take issue with the valve and the 'heat shield' on the engine cover but I have looked long and hard at the pit stop mid race. Have ordered the 1979 year book in the hope of seeing more race day reference for this, the O'Connell entry and the ones I am yet to do. In the meantime that tasty 1/25th March 85c is on its way.......... Finish this before it arrives. |
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2021 12:51:54 GMT -5
Car looks good and Lone Star JR looks the part, too. Looking forward to this one. Interested in what the 1979 Yearbook has as far as references, I was going through some Christmas ideas yesterday and was looking at the USAC 79 YB. Looking forward to seeing you Sully the 85C, in the best sort of way  LOL Jordan |
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2021 13:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by quattro on Nov 16, 2021 13:59:35 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing you Sully the 85C, in the best sort of way LOL Love the pun, but what on Earth would make you think I am doing the Sullivan car!? So obviously transparent in't I? Thanks for the very useful pics. joe |
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Post by quattro on Nov 24, 2021 6:36:14 GMT -5
Well I think it is there. Whilst I look ahead to getting into my 1/25th March 85c and watch Calvin's progress with the Chaparral project I will keep looking at this kinda thing for a while longer.  Couple of things I am not happy about. My decals are not as 'royal' blue as they should be. And something very odd happened with the laquer. Rear wing side and top all white. front wing, nose and cowling. Well it went Ivory..! Can you Sun bleach a model like you can old decals? I mean, it looks like it was made in 1979 and naturally aged! Might be more detail to add if future pic ref throws anything up.  Cross referencing with comments on the Chaparral thread and scaled helmets. There is a lad over here in the UK who does 1/32 driver faces decals for slot jobs. They really do add to anything with a driver in it. I may suggest he does them in 1/24 and maybe 43rd...... Meantime I have another colour question. What red would you lads recommend for an AJ Foyt Parnelli VPJ6?Guess it was a colour he also used from 74 to 79? Got to get into painting this up.....  Hope this is if nothing else an interesting hors d'oeuvre from the main courses that is this forum. But I blame all of you lot! And if it fires up or rekindles an interest in the relevant 1/25th kits available then all the better! So. To the track!  |
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Post by indy on Nov 24, 2021 9:36:12 GMT -5
Well, it looks good. If you repaint it then you might get Michael to add 1/32 to this listing: indycals.net/decals/indy/79budmclaren.htmlThe AJ Foyt Parnelli VPJ6 was before my time but hopefully someone here can help. Jordan |
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Post by quattro on Nov 24, 2021 11:24:58 GMT -5
Good shout on the Indycals, but I should have explained earlier that for this car
they were designed specifically for the Silver City M24b at 1/25th.
However, the vast inventory from Indycals at 1/32 does mean
I will shortly be able to start exploring more USAC cars from that late 70s era at this particular scale.
The results I have had from manipulating these first few examples has given me the confidence
to tackle a few other projects for my own fun
whilst I 'tread water' waiting for the static 24th and 25th kits that really get me going.
I will look at a few from 1977, a couple from 1978 and then look at the Mid 80s.
And just took delivery of five 1/32 snaptite Lola T91/00 kits as well.....
As for the Ivory. I may mask off the affected bits and go again but must test that lacquer.
Never had that before......
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Post by raceparke on Nov 24, 2021 14:56:08 GMT -5
Hi Quattro,
For 1967 I used a Poppy Red Ford color from Rainbow industries AP 25 and 1977 winnerI used Testers 1628 orange. They seem indistinguishable. I don’t know if later Foyts were that orange or not.
Dan
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Post by indycals on Nov 24, 2021 20:58:51 GMT -5
When I don't offer a set of decals in the usual variety of scales there is a good reason: Those decals are tailor fitted to a VERY specific body and will not scale properly to another body. It just doesn't happen. Some liveries are very forgiving, others have zero tolerance for error. Even my Lotus 78 decals in 1/12 and 1/20 - both for Tamiya kits - are two entirely different sets of artwork because even within the house of Tamiya, the two kits don't match up just through mathematical scaling. Another example is I just picked up a 1/32 scalextric Mustang GT4 - Thank God I never offered those decals in 1/32 because it is not even close - I have a ton of work to get them to fit the Scalextric body. Believe me - I'd love to offer all my decals in all scales, but the wall of diminishing returns frequently appears early on.
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LOL
