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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 23:37:45 GMT -5
Okay....project started  This kit is going to go into the display of the winning cars at the Indianapolis 500 Hall of Fame Museum. After much thought and looking at both kits, I decided to use the good old Aurora/Best 1920 Winner Kit than the Etzel Speed Classic due to the modifications and cutting that I'm going to have to make it look right. One question I have is....How does a plastic model kit have flash and sink holes at the same time? I have found that most of the old Aurora Kits have both of these. They aren't all bad and have some good things to offer, like this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 23:51:57 GMT -5
 Oops...I forget to show what I was doing. Here is the good old work bench and the kit. I love the old box art that these kits had. The plastic is thick and the body has "Orange Peal" on it so it will be sanded smooth. The 1921 Winner was a Frontenac which had a straight-8 engine and funky exhaust, which will need to be scratch built...and was a painted plum in color. I am going to have to scratch build a new dash for this one and find a new set for new tires. |
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Post by racerbrown on Aug 17, 2009 5:21:16 GMT -5
well this'll be fun to watch.  duane |
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Post by indy on Aug 17, 2009 9:48:10 GMT -5
Looks like a neat WIP Russ. So, what's the story on the Penske? Looks like probably Emmo's '93 winner, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 12:23:16 GMT -5
Okay Jordan....
Here's the story on that one...This was supposed to be part of the display in 1994, but I didn't have time to finish it, to my satisfaction. So, it sat on my work bench since then...I have only been back to Indy in 1997 for the 500, so there it sits. It needs a windscreen and to be finish for the display. It's one of Bill Jorgensen's kits and a good one too. Maybe after this one, and if I get a new windscreen, I'll finish it.
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Russ
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 13:56:07 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing this one...
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Post by 2lapsdown on Aug 17, 2009 16:01:42 GMT -5
Anything Russ gets involved in is fun!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2009 15:37:13 GMT -5
 The first thing I did was what I call a "fuselage fit", test fitting to make sure the body fits, and it dose. I am very impressed seeing that this modle is older than I am! Then I sanded, removed the molded in strap that would have been a two inch thick strap over the engine cowling...and the really bad gas cap on the back. Next is to fill all the sink holes on all the parts and to decide if I am going to try to put an engine in this thing. Best to you Russ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 1:08:10 GMT -5
Ok, Sheriff Bart! I am positive it will be a great addition to the display. Are you working off of the ever popular Bob C. drawings?
BTW: where did they hide the number on that beast? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 13:13:48 GMT -5
HEY MONGO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a set of Bob's Drawings of the 1920 Winner, but I'm also working off a photo Terry Gunter sent me...and photos from a book. The Frontenac was different than the Monroe a few ways. And...from the photos I have, the cars numbers were on the tail and before the cockpit on both sides.
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Russ
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 17:04:49 GMT -5
 Now ready for primer and paint. It's been a while, I have been busy with life and other matters. This one has been fun. I still can't get over that this old,.....and I do mean OLD kit has both sink holes and flash on it, but it has many good things to offer. A few of the old Aurora/Best kits did. The only lemons in that group were the Maserati and the Fuel Injection Special. Both were butt-ugly! Best to you Russ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 19:08:27 GMT -5
HERE IS THE LATESTS PIC Now in primer, awaiting my getting out to the auto paint store for the proper color for the 1921 Winner. The right hand side of the car I already made a start on placing the exhaust pipes, yes pipes..look at the photo at the start of this thread, there were two of them. Onward and upward!  Best to you Russ
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Post by indy on Oct 27, 2009 22:18:19 GMT -5
Nice work so far Russ, thanks for posting this - it's a very interesting historic build!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 22:46:32 GMT -5
The beast is painted........for now.It was plumb in color and I hope I got it correct.   I somewhat started to paint the frame rails as well...more to come and to go on this one! The holes on the side is fro teh duekl exhaust for the beast. Best to you! Russ
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 15:26:30 GMT -5
The Beast is Finished!!! Finally!  Started August 16th at 8:00PM, finished November 6 at 10:00AM. Not bad time for a guy with only one good hand.  Many thanks go to a few who helped me a great deal with this sucker. To DrDave for casting a few much needed parts in resin for me. Thanks David! Also, to my good friend Chris Etzel who years ago gave me an extra set of photo-etch wire wheels for his Monroe Kit because I was afraid I'd screw the first set up, but I didn't, so I used them on this beast. Also, to my mentor and good friend Bob Clidinst for he kind words of encouragement along the way.  Now to get this sucker into the Hall of Fame Museum display. The 1921 Winner is done. I had more fun with his build. Try to et an old Best/Aurora Kit and build it up right! All but the last two had good things to offer. You can get a glue-bomb off of ebay for around $35.00 or $40..00. Well worth it! Best to you! Russ
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Post by indy on Nov 6, 2009 15:50:51 GMT -5
She turned out very well and the white tires are very striking ;D She'll be right at home at the Speedway Museum!
Jordan
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Post by clm1545 on Nov 6, 2009 16:19:39 GMT -5
More great polishing Russ.
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Post by Calvin on Nov 6, 2009 16:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Nov 7, 2009 6:33:21 GMT -5
Looks great, another old kit saved!
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Post by alwaysindy on Nov 7, 2009 10:45:37 GMT -5
Russ:
Beautiful work. Like you, I love the old cars...
What did you use for the belt over the hood and what did you use to detail the frame rails(bolt heads?)?
As for the hand; this gettin' older ain't for sissies, is it?
Best to YOU...
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2009 15:11:40 GMT -5
Tim,
As for getting old, all I can say about it is that is sucks! Having a stroke three years ago didn't help much either. To quote my 85 year old father, "You know why they call it the "Golden Years?"......Because there isn't enough fu***** gold to make you want to live them!"
Now as for the belt over the hood, I used a left over piece of tape left from an old Monogram Bugatti hood strap. One word for the wise is never throw anything away. As for the detail on he frame rails...just good old testors silver paint out of thee $2.00 bottle. I remember when those suckers were $0.35! In fact, I have an old bottle that has the price on the top!
Best to you and I hope i answered your questions
Russ
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Post by drdave on Nov 7, 2009 16:29:30 GMT -5
Russ,
Looks fantastic! I can't wait to get around to mine, but I have a feeling that might be awhile with all I have going right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2009 5:06:38 GMT -5
Love the Oldfield cord tires... You always seem to take the road that is 'less' taken with your builds. Just excellent!!
Tom T.
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Post by stonecold44 on Nov 8, 2009 19:10:30 GMT -5
So this is the build you were telling me about. Very nice. Who did the decals?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2009 20:54:52 GMT -5
Hi ya Greg!
The decals are from an old Fred Cady Sheet. I still have all the old Fred Cady sheets i bought before Michael at Indycals started his business.
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Russ
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Post by pbh51 on Jul 15, 2011 14:32:03 GMT -5
Russ,
Something I would not have understood about the 1921 car but for your handsome build up, but if you study the photo you posted at the top, there are a couple of notable differences between it and the 1920 version, all of which, I believe, are based on the fact that it is an in-line eight model rather than an in-line four. Which is to say that the 1921 car was at least nine inches, and maybe a whole foot, longer than the 1920 car, all of which was done to accomodate the longer engine.
Notice too that the hood of the '21 lacks the unusual shape of the '20 car which has a kind of beak over the firewall. the '21 car is a straight seam instead. I think the difference can be explained by taking the edge of the beak and extending it around the cowl, giving the additional length for the longer engine. Of course, the chassis needs to be extended as well.
Like you, I have a completed Etzel '20 Frontenac that I will post soon. It is not as detailed as yours, which might be a good thing if I ever decide to tear down the engine bay and resin cast the block. That way I could come up with the eight cylinder version. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 20:05:46 GMT -5
phb..
Thanks your kind word my work. I have one Etzel's Monroe and the display needed a 1921 Frontenac, yes a bit of difference between two, a far that think it. According the two I found, Bob Clindist and Chris Eztel, the frame on the Frontenac four inches longer that the Monroe. Remember, pictures lie sometime!! I wasn't cut a Etezl's kit, is Best/Aurora much cheap and that I did. Closer enough for government work, I say!
Nice on kits!!!! Chris would proud!!!
Best to you!
Russ
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Post by pbh51 on Jul 15, 2011 22:49:17 GMT -5
Russ:
I am enjoying the dialogue. Thanks.
I found a shot of the 1921 engine that has the exhaust pipes arranged as a front four above and a rear four below, but not overlapping. This is in the Popely "Indianapolis 500 Chronicles" pp. 29. Which means the extended frame had to accomodate the length of two engines, more or less.
The Etzel 1920 car has a lot of room in the engine bay, given the four banger, but probably not enough for a full eight in-line. So the four extra inches might be about right. Shear off the front and end plates of a pair of fours and you just might fit it in.
What is interesting to me is the idea that the engineers just hammered this together. They didn't even come up with a new exhaust system; they just bolted two of the previous year's tools together. Now, that is fun!
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Good job!
