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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 10:01:43 GMT -5
I'm in an early IRL mood and have been dying to work on something really easy! I got this a few months ago..... The quality is outstanding! The only hard part is going to be the blue paint job! HERE WE GO AGAIN! What in the world kind of paint to use?    Etzel sure did a wonderful job on these kits. IMO this kit will be way easier than a good amount of regular plastic kits! So if you are one or those ONES! that are scared of resin kits......you are full of it!... especially if you have one these Etzel kits on the shelf. |
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Post by mrpeters on Dec 14, 2013 10:11:21 GMT -5
damn, i think i could actually build a model like that...
what do these run these days? i would love to redo the Royal Purple car I did in diecast, but on the 1997 body.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 10:30:55 GMT -5
what do these run these days? Usually around $200 on ebay.... |
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Post by bocadiecast on Dec 14, 2013 12:12:39 GMT -5
I would like to do an 1/18 version. Several times I have considered trying to convert a Maisto G-Force into a Dallara.
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Post by kurzheck on Dec 14, 2013 13:07:02 GMT -5
Tamiya PS54 is close but maybe too green, it's intended for the Vaillant Porsche 934. Testors 28115 Bright Aqua Pearl is also close but a pearl as the name suggests. Krylon might have something too.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 13:22:18 GMT -5
It seems to me that PS54 is the same as TS-41 Coral Blue? *Light bulb moment* It almost looks like GM Corporate Blue - I've used it a few times when I worked at the family dealership back in the day......my dad might have some laying around in the shop? hummmmm *out the door I go* ^^^do you like my action commentary?  |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 14:09:33 GMT -5
Couldn't find any GM Corporate blue out there but I like the looks of this Krylon color.   |
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Post by kurzheck on Dec 14, 2013 14:22:13 GMT -5
Looks close to perfect!
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Post by racewrench87 on Dec 14, 2013 20:24:57 GMT -5
Don't be fooled by the pictures, its not blue.Eddie Cheever told me the true color is teal. I used Rustoleum 7729 teal when I did mine. had a hard time finding it.closest I could find.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 20:46:51 GMT -5
Couldn't find any GM Corporate blue out there but I like the looks of this Krylon color. I got a can today and its not even close to what is on the computer screen. Unlike Tamiya paint colors on the computer screen I guess you cant trust Krylon samples!  |
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Post by indy on Dec 14, 2013 22:35:55 GMT -5
I like it, Calvin.... I'll try not to get any drool on this WIP. LOL
Jordan
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 14, 2013 22:36:20 GMT -5
Calvin, check Krylon #41414
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Post by Calvin on Dec 14, 2013 23:29:15 GMT -5
I went back out and looked for some paint and so far Model Masters Tropical Turquoise is the closest...The screen sample below is very close to what I see on my painted test sheet.  I'm still not sure about it but....who knows as ever single picture I look at is different (typical photographed blue) I compared my sample up against my Leyton House F1 car (Tamiya Coral blue) Which should be way more vivid than the 98 winner, and it is. Also my sample is a good shade less vivid than Michael's build www.indycals.net/images/decal_images/large/98rachelsdallara.jpg BTW I couldn't find any Rustoleum Teal or Krylon #41414 |
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Post by indy on Dec 14, 2013 23:53:07 GMT -5
Calvin have you tried mixing up a batch of the mixture of the Testors bottles as called for in the instructions to see if you your spray paint is close to that color?
Jordan
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 0:40:21 GMT -5
I think I'm 73.987564% sure that I know what color I'm going to use now.
After taking the average of many pics. and watching good quality TV footage. That Tamiya TS- 72 Clear blue over TS-41 Coral Blue is very good! When watching all the TV footage the car is indeed mainly blue....the Model masters Tropical Turquoise is just too much dull green to it.
What Jordan is talking about in the post above is in the Etzel instructions it says use 16 parts Testors Blue and 2 parts Testors green and 1 part Testors white....well I'd have to agree with that ratio. And to answer your question Jordan, No I didn't think of that, but I feel the Tamiya Coral under clear blue matches what I see in the video pretty darn good. I'm going to think about it one more day before making up my mind for sure.....in the mean time I'll paint the black on the body first.
BTW all the pics I've seen takin of the museum car seems very dark for the blue....The museum car seems to be missing those 2 parts of green?
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 1:10:13 GMT -5
as of now I'm 87.96754% sure I want to use TS-72 over TS-41. After watching the "Indianapolis 500: The 90's" DVD there is a shot of Cheever on the cool down lap waving, along side is Lazier (about 7:00 min in the video) the color (From my IMO color correct nice HD TV) is exactly what I have on my test sheet!
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Post by indycals on Dec 15, 2013 2:25:40 GMT -5
I don't think that would look right... you will get a candy-apple effect and the car did not have that.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 2:37:53 GMT -5
To my surprise the candy-apple effect is really not much. Here is a scan of my test sample. For how I see it its a 90% match to what I'm holding in my hand. Also I sprayed the Clear blue on a little too heavy (runs) I should do one more with white primer and all just like if was painting the real car (Shouda done that to being with)  |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 2:42:42 GMT -5
Without the runs I dont think the candy-apple effect would even be noticeable.....
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Post by indycals on Dec 15, 2013 3:07:32 GMT -5
I tried it. IMO it's way too blue. It's a good match for the car in the museum, but I don't believe the car in the museum is correct. The car had a hint of sea green to it and TS72 over TS41 does not have any.
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 3:27:57 GMT -5
I tried it. IMO it's way too blue. It's a good match for the car in the museum, but I don't believe the car in the museum is correct. The car had a hint of sea green to it and TS72 over TS41 does not have any. You're making my % percentage of certainty drop again!  I'm trying my sample one more time before I say anymore..... I do agree that the museum car is very dark or too blue-blue. ......this is a tough one......just like the Kool green.....maybe MCW has some Rachel's Blue? |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 5:58:21 GMT -5
Heck I dont know....
I tried my 2nd test sheet, and it came out way darker than my first...The first one does have that touch of sea green look, but the 2nd doesn't. Layering paint is not a consistent deal.....
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Post by SteveK51 on Dec 15, 2013 9:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by SteveK51 on Dec 15, 2013 9:21:24 GMT -5
Another thought that has crossed my mind; would it be difficult to use one of these Etzel Dallaras as the starting point to make a new production run?
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 14:16:32 GMT -5
would it be difficult to use one of these Etzel Dallaras as the starting point to make a new production run? With the right tools and experience, no it wouldn't be hard but I'd get Chirs' permission first or do it the right way and work out a deal to obtain his masters. Also with early IRL models the deal would have to be good because I just dont think the popularity would be that strong.....even though you see these go for $200 on ebay, its only a handful of fokes that are going after them....and plus when you make something readily available that "rare" factor goes away and to some people the appeal of getting the kit goes away. |
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Post by indycals on Dec 15, 2013 14:24:32 GMT -5
I would think Cheever used the same car after 1998 thus it would have to have been restored to it's 1998 livery. Like so many restored cars, the car in the museum has MANY things wrong with it. Case in point, the restored car doesn't have the Rachel's on the side pod outlined in teal, and I'm pretty sure Eddie's car did NOT carry a sticker that said "1998 Indianapolis 500 winner" during the race |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 14:25:21 GMT -5
The paint sample looks pretty good, but it's hard to say for sure on a flat surface. It looks pretty close. I think it does as well, but my 2nd test sample sure didn't come out like my first. I must have applied just the right amount of clear blue because it does have that slight sea green look to it. I'd really like to use lacquer and anything else. I've looked for a possible paint for hours, and I'm really not coming up with anything good. Michael P. used some Walmart paint back in the day that most likely isn't around anymore. I looked at Hobby Lobby's selection for a while and its just not a common color. I'm going to clear coat over my Tamiya samples to see what happens because sometimes clear will change things up.... |
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Post by clm1545 on Dec 15, 2013 14:30:04 GMT -5
Another thought that has crossed my mind; would it be difficult to use one of these Etzel Dallaras as the starting point to make a new production run? Most of us feel that it is very unethical to copy anyones work, without their permission. Making a reproduction part for your own use is one thing, making one for sale is a very different story. Few of us would buy an unauthorized kit. Lance bought the rights to the Watson from Chris, but as of now I think that is the only "legal" copy of any Etzel kit that has been available. Take Care Craig |
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Post by Calvin on Dec 15, 2013 15:18:16 GMT -5
I used Rustoleum 7729 teal when I did mine. had a hard time finding it.closest I could find. Maybe they call it "Jade" now? |
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Post by indycals on Dec 15, 2013 15:49:40 GMT -5
There's a very good chance I used Rustoleum Teal too - it was either rustoleum or krylon that I used.
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