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Post by Calvin on Jan 23, 2015 18:39:15 GMT -5
Since I'm building Al Unser's car I need to cut down the cowling and add a windscreen.....Mario's car didn't have one it was just left alone...just like how this resin cowling started.  It's always best to pencil out what you want to do to give somewhat of a visual.  The using the thinnest razor saw you can have....carefully saw around the pencil line....while making sure you stay level.  I made sure I kept the sawed off part safe and I'm going to use it as a guide for my windscreen buck.  Taking some epoxy sculpt I filled in the cutoff resin part....after this dries I will add more Apoxy sculpt to the bottom for a base which helps air flow during the vac-u-form process. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how accurate this approach and setup is but IMO it should make things easier when it comes to hooking up the Offy later with this AMT bulkhead on.....I'm just using this old AMT Offy as test engine for now until I get the highly detailed Indycals resin Offy....(which you can buy at anytime)  I traced out the area on the back of the resin tub and started grinding out the penciled area.  Making sure that the bulkhead is level on the bottom (as the bottom is a known flat surface) Then super glue it on and let it sit for a few hours..... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  After looking at some pictures that Stu sent I was able to make a decision on what to do with the rear wing....there really isn't a set way of doing this as it is mostly about eyeballing it and making sure the tail of the engine cover matches up with the wing surface. |
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Post by Patrick on Jan 23, 2015 22:52:40 GMT -5
Why is the engine area off set? I don't understand.
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 23, 2015 23:15:08 GMT -5
Why is the engine area off set? I don't understand. Patrick It just is not glued to the bulkhead, Patrick. Calvin will be using one of the Indycals engines. |
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Post by pje on Jan 24, 2015 0:23:39 GMT -5
Really fun to follow along with this one Calvin. Going back to the subject of the engine cover, I find it interesting that the '73 Parnelli and '73 McLaren had such a similar design and the Eagle stayed with what was working for them in '72. Different sized wing of course. Very reminiscent of the 2010 F-duct F1 cars.
By the way Calvin, where did you get that No. 11 style saw blade?
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 2:46:27 GMT -5
Why is the engine area off set? I don't understand. Patrick No I'm just taking a picture....nothing is lined up....I'm just showing what is going on.....that old AMT Offy is my "Test Mule" for a lot of projects.  |
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 2:51:32 GMT -5
Really fun to follow along with this one Calvin. Going back to the subject of the engine cover, I find it interesting that the '73 Parnelli and '73 McLaren had such a similar design and the Eagle stayed with what was working for them in '72. Different sized wing of course. Very reminiscent of the 2010 F-duct F1 cars. By the way Calvin, where did you get that No. 11 style saw blade? Paul Erlendson That tail puzzles me! You would think it would mean less down force with the center part of the tail covering the rear wing....obviously it wasn't doing any good as the VPJ team took it off in the later part of the season and went with a more traditional rear wing setup. I think I got the razor saws from Micro Mark? |
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 2:57:47 GMT -5
I'm still looking for good rear end shots. I've been looking thru all my video and like usual when there is a potential good shot a USAC official is standing right in the way!  I know the turbo is down in the back on the lower left side and there is a bigger than usual chrome push bar.....and it also looks like an aluminum tank on the lower right side? But how all those go together is yet a mystery |
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 3:52:55 GMT -5
I just bought the 1973 May issue of Hot Rod Magazine as it look like it has nice detail shots of the car in it......
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Post by Chris on Jan 24, 2015 8:56:08 GMT -5
Scalemotorsports.com has a set of Killer Photo etch saws and scriber blades.. cuts very thin, Chris
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Post by illeagle10 on Jan 24, 2015 12:45:53 GMT -5
I'm still looking for good rear end shots. I've been looking thru all my video and like usual when there is a potential good shot a USAC official is standing right in the way! I know the turbo is down in the back on the lower left side and there is a bigger than usual chrome push bar.....and it also looks like an aluminum tank on the lower right side? But how all those go together is yet a mystery There are some really nice pictures in the book "The Cars of Vel Miletich and Parnelli Jones." They have many pictures of the cars with the original configuration with the huge cowling and also the car in the conventional layout of the time with just the big rear wing, no cowling over the engine or wing. Jim |
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Post by harveythedog2 on Jan 24, 2015 18:26:51 GMT -5
I believe the real car is at the IMS museum in the basement?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 18:57:26 GMT -5
Yes the IMS has one, I hope to measure it soon. The Parnelli boOk lists a 106" wheelbase.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 19:09:50 GMT -5
If you print and size this to the 1 inch marks drawn above the car you will have a 1/25th rendering.  |
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 19:31:04 GMT -5
WOW! Thank you Lance.....aw...um.....I meant novithunder....(?)
I was just looking at the model wondering how in the heck things go the back end of this car....I started to get a little disgruntled as I wasn't finding anything on the web or my own resources.
Thank you X 1000000
BTW just as Jim talked about above I went ahead and got the "The Cars of Vel Miletich and Parnelli Jones." on Amazon for $40 which was the cheapest I could find......I saw some on ebay for over $100! ....it might be one of those books that go sky high here sortly!
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 19:53:42 GMT -5
OK....LOL! Does anyone want to take an educated guess on routing of that intake pipe?  Usually on the normal indycar...the pipe just goes right over the top of the transaxle and thats it but this thing is going down a looks to heading towards the trans axel?.....LOL! IS there a spot right under the transaxle? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 20:38:46 GMT -5
The pipe drops down from the middle of the manifold on it's bottom side, it crosses over somewhare under the gearbox. When I measure the car I will trace its route under the car.   |
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Post by Calvin on Jan 24, 2015 21:42:49 GMT -5
Wow! More great stuff!....you are really spoiling us with some neat stuff!
Ha! Inboard brakes.....not really surprising as its very F1 Lotus like.
That pipe must fit under were the engine and gear box bolt up....that seems like it would have the most space?
This is not the avg indycar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 8:32:00 GMT -5
You can see the wing brackets in the last photo. They kind of seal the fairing off to the wing. Most of this arrangement was abandoned as the season developed. VPJ was one of the first teams to use the down swept exhaust manifold. Getting the turbo low was all the rage at the time. Engine builders finally clamored enough that the manufactures started getting the units smaller and smaller, advancing waste gate technology and ultimately changing the valve angle of the Offy engine itself.
IIRC your Hot Rod that is coming should clear up the intake question. My home made voulume (that year anyhow) are still packed away in a mountain of boxes! Sorry.
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Post by Calvin on Jan 26, 2015 3:44:42 GMT -5
Since this is not going to be a curbside I need to started cutting the engine cover off. And since that cherry picker of a wing strut needs to be built I will need to make the engine cover tail very thin and the only way to do that is cut it off and glue some thin styrene on and little wider.  then I ground down a lip on the edge to have a place for the styrene to lay.  Then super glued the styrene to the end of the resin engine cover and then used plastic weld glue to the side edges of the styrene.   There is now more room for the cherry picker wing strut to fit inside or actually the engine cover will fit over it.  Lined up the cockpit shroud and super glued it on. The used some brass and bent it over and glue it on....I will strengthen it later....its just kinda hanging on for now....  |
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Post by indy on Jan 26, 2015 8:47:21 GMT -5
Looks good, Calvin. What's the wheelbase going to be with the current setup?
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Post by Calvin on Jan 26, 2015 14:29:37 GMT -5
What's the wheelbase going to be with the current setup? Not sure yet....it mainly depends on how things work out.....in this case I'm not number crunching everything.....just making sure it looks visually pleasing. |
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Post by clm1545 on Jan 26, 2015 15:51:04 GMT -5
Calvin's measurements tend to be interesting, to say the least. I'm sure decimals will be involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:22:41 GMT -5
The engine cover worked fine with the big wing used early in the season, the wings were reduced in size twice during that season and the engine covers were removed to supply more air flow to the smaller wing. By 74 only 2 cars I know of still used an engine cover that went all the way back to the rear wing, those were both McLarens, Gary B. and Salt. Al Loquasto used one also but I do not recall the year, a McLaren aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 0:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by Calvin on Jan 28, 2015 3:15:05 GMT -5
Thank you! That first shot really helps out with the rear setup...... Plus it also shows that little skirt underneath!
Its funny how I've had do more researching on this build than actually building.....
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Post by formula14kdc on Jan 29, 2015 3:39:32 GMT -5
Pictures of the Viceroy are great but why aren't I able to save image. Vista PC says unable to open Photo Gallery unable to open this picture. Thanks.
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Post by Calvin on Jan 29, 2015 3:58:29 GMT -5
Pictures of the Viceroy are great but why aren't I able to save image. Vista PC says unable to open Photo Gallery unable to open this picture. Thanks. Kent Yeah I have no idea..... I never had Windows Vista. I currently have Windows 7 and I just right click and Save Image I always skip every other Windows system.....because supposable that is the rule of thumb when it comes to how good a Windows operating system is.  95 = bad 98 = good ME = bad XP = good Vista = bad 7 = good 8 = bad 10 = good (?) |
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Post by harveythedog2 on Jan 29, 2015 7:36:07 GMT -5
Do you have a Snipping Tool with Vista? If not you could download one. Lets you take screen shots and can be saved as JPGS.
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Post by indy on Jan 29, 2015 8:48:55 GMT -5
I never used Vista, but my wife called it Vista the Virus after her experiences with it LOL. A low tech way to save pictures when you cannot do it in browser is to hit the print screen button, open Paint, paste, crop (optional), and save.
Calvin, I don't remember Win95 being bad but '98 was definitely better. ME was buggy, XP was awesome, and Win7 seems like a nice OS to have after over a decade with XP. But of course, Win95 wasn't the first Windows.... ahhh those were days where you really had to watch your syntax! haha
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Post by scalecentral on Jan 29, 2015 11:43:13 GMT -5
I believe your Vista problem may be in the syntax of the pics. They have a xxxxx.jpg.html ending which kind of confuses older systems. Computers were taught to look for the . and then the three to four letter suffix. Now most user interfaces are designed to act just like a web browser which is why you can't just delete IE from the newer Windows products. They are able to see that the above images are HTML pages with an embedded JPeG. I've used Windows NT and Windows 3. The later editions of NT were really nice especially when you had a lot of computers talking to each other (hence the NeTwork name). I grew up mainly with 95 though and then 98. You all forgot 2000, which came out between 98 and ME. It was so bad it only lasted a few months. XP has always been my favorite, but since it isn't supported any more I have 7. Hopefully 10 will be even better even though technically it is only release #7.
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