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Post by clm1545 on Sept 29, 2014 22:28:08 GMT -5
Could well be, Lance. I was going from my references, I was there for practice, but I sure never checked the wheelbase on the cars.
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Post by lance on Sept 29, 2014 22:31:52 GMT -5
For me the wheelbase is the most important measurment I work from, I call it my control measeurment. Establishing this sets the propotions of the rest of the car wether I am scaling an existing drawing or scaling a photo to make a drawing from. The qaulities I look for in my master are the side and top profiles of the body, I look for symmetry, I try to imagine a centerline running down the center of the body (putting it on the drawing works well also) and check to make sure the sidepods are of equel hight and length, that the nose does not wander off to the right or left. One very over looked part is the stance of the car, is the nose or tail to high or low ? Does the car set flat on all four tires? After all these things are determined, I pay close attention to the molds, to soft a rubber or mold sidewalls and the mold can easily distort and yield a flawed part, large body molds need to be supported undernieth by a clean flat surface to keep the mold "true". The last thing that comes into play is the resin, not all resin's are created equal, great master and molds + crappy resin = a crappy castings, I avoid the cheap hobby resins found in craft & hobby stores, a castting that looks like a "wet bar of soap" is no fun to work with, I do not consider putting my best into something I put my name on as being "Anal Retentive", I consider it as taking pride in myself and my product and trying to give everyone my best effort.
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Post by beardogracing on Sept 29, 2014 22:47:11 GMT -5
Lotus 38/4, as raced by Jim Clark in the 1966 Indy 500. Built in 1965 (fifth chassis built) from spares with symmetrical suspension and using some parts from the original 38/2, which was Bobby Johns 1965 car.
They say some parts because: 38/2 was built 1965 (third chassis built) for Team Lotus. Crashed by Roger McCluskey while testing at Trenton April 1965 and rebuilt on new tub (fourth chassis built) in time for Indy 500. For Bobby Johns at the 1965 Indy 500 (#83 qualified 22nd, finished 7th).
It was then purchased by Ford and used as a show car standing in as 'Indy winner' show car. Sold at some point to AJ Foyt and believed to be the car that was modified by Eddie Kuzma and entered at the 1966 Indy 500 as the Lotus-Kuzma. For George Snider at the 1966 Indy 500 (#82 qualified 3rd, crashed in race). Parts of this car and of Foyt's car damaged in the same race used to built a new car for 1967. This is believed to be the #82 car destroyed in Bob Christie's accident during Indy qualifying in 1967.
Used by Jim Clark at St Ursanne and Ollon-Villars 1965. For Jim Clark at the 1966 Indy 500 (#19 qualified 2nd, finished second). Sold to AJ Foyt and wrecked in practice at Milwaukee a week later. Returned to the UK and rebuilt; returned to Foyt August 1966 but no further results known. Likely to have been the basis of one of the Coyotes used from August 1966 onwards and/or at the 1967 Indy 500.
Source: Old Racing Cars.Com
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Post by indycals on Sept 29, 2014 23:03:16 GMT -5
In any case it'd be nice to see an Lotus 38 reissue for the 50th anniversary.
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Post by lance on Sept 29, 2014 23:06:29 GMT -5
The history's of the type 38's is a very confusing one, a onetime fan of the Ferguson book, "Team Lotus, The Indy Years" I learned this summer that the book was written AFTER Andrew passed and has many errors, espesially in regards to the 38's, am not nocking your post as I only know bits and pieces of the Lotus chassis history's myself and have had to eat some chunks of Crow this year based on what I thought I knew about the chassis numbers.
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Post by indycals on Sept 30, 2014 3:04:35 GMT -5
I checked the Lotus Competition Cars book by Anthony Pritchard and there is no wheel base information, but there is track information. It lists the 38 as having a 5' rear track, while the 42F was 4' 8.5". That said there are some errors that I picked out in the book. Describing the 1967 race it says the team had 'the 1964 and 65 winners' in reference to Clark and Hill, and the picture of Hill's Lotus 42F was his 1966 Red Ball Lola. I also seem to recall some other errors, so I would take this book with a big grain of salt.
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Post by racerbrown on Sept 30, 2014 5:59:31 GMT -5
In any case it'd be nice to see an Lotus 38 reissue for the 50th anniversary. i agree! duane
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Post by clm1545 on Sept 30, 2014 7:57:30 GMT -5
All this got me checking ny books for more information. Since none of the people who would really know, are among the living, it seems. I can now say that I am sure that the 66, and 67 Lotus team cars were red. Anything else is a guess.
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Post by indy on Sept 30, 2014 8:36:14 GMT -5
All this got me checking ny books for more information. Since none of the people who would really know, are among the living, it seems. I can now say that I am sure that the 66, and 67 Lotus team cars were red. Anything else is a guess. Florescent Red, don't make Calvin start another color thread LOL Lance, if it helps with the numbers then I'd be good for one '65 Lotus. Jordan
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Post by lance on Sept 30, 2014 11:14:35 GMT -5
The first florescent red STP car was the 63 Herk Novi, the Ferguson Novi was a normal red in 64-65. I am not sure about the Granatelli Novi Bobby wrecked in practice in 65 that forced him to run the Ferguson. Herks Tombstone Life Novi in 65 started out as blue and yellow and was repainted florescent red for the race. From 66 on, all Granetelli cars were florescent red.
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Post by mjjracer on Sept 30, 2014 12:12:49 GMT -5
Wheelbase issues aside, I want to add my name to the list of those voting for a car not on Lance's list. That was my first 500, Jimmy was my idol and I have been desperate for a 38. So much so that I took a risk and bought an as-is Testors kit at the memorabilia show in Indy last year. Good thing it was cheap, because it wasn't complete. Not too much color controversy on this one - bad-luck green and yellow. MJ
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Post by Calvin on Sept 30, 2014 13:26:12 GMT -5
Not too much color controversy on this one - bad-luck green and yellow.
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Post by Calvin on Sept 30, 2014 13:28:56 GMT -5
Florescent Red, don't make Calvin start another color thread LOL Craig banned me from doing color debates.
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Post by rusty on Sept 30, 2014 16:52:43 GMT -5
You guys don't know from colour debates. Stop in at any aircraft forum and start a debate over WWII German RLM colours grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy.
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Post by racerbrown on Sept 30, 2014 17:52:58 GMT -5
You guys don't know from colour debates. Stop in at any aircraft forum and start a debate over WWII German RLM colours grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy. amen brother! duane
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Post by 2lapsdown on Sept 30, 2014 18:35:25 GMT -5
So if Lance reissues the 38 I'll build it with an unaltered wheelbase, an asymetrical suspension and paint it flo red. I'm pretty sure nobody I know will know the difference. I did enjoy the lively debate though. Lance, it's all on you now.
John
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Post by Calvin on Sept 30, 2014 18:54:25 GMT -5
I love constructive lively debate!
All I can say is its always fun talking to friends with the same interest that are knowledgable about this stuff!
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Post by pje on Oct 1, 2014 0:05:00 GMT -5
Holy Crap! Never thought that my "2 cents" would spark this discussion. I was part of the Facebook conversation that Lance referred to. Needless to say it got a little heated and from my point of view things were never completely resolved. A lot was also said about Andrew Ferguson and his book “Team Lotus, The Indianapolis Years”, and how accurate or inaccurate it is. I would be happy to give my additional “2 cents” to that discussion but it was never my intent to take this thread in any direction other then to encourage Lance to re-release his wonderful Lotus 38 kit. Perhaps a new thread should be created just to talk about the Lotus 38’s that ran at Indy. In my humble opinion Lance’s kit as manufactured, can be built into either Lotus for 1965, Jim Clark or Bobby Johns. With windscreen mods and intake trumpets, Dan Gurney’s 1965 Lotus can be built. For the 1966 race, both Jim Clark’s and Al Unser’s cars can be replicated. Different rear wheels are needed and Lance does have those wheels. For 1967 Jim Clark’s Lotus 38 can be replicated but with some work. A bulge on the left side needs to be added and a little rear suspension work needs to be done. Also this car was run with the intake trumpets exposed. All these cars that I have referred to did have offset suspension so there is no problem there. The Lotus 38 that Graham Hill practiced in 1967 but did not race, did have symmetrical suspension. Paul Erlendson
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Post by lance on Oct 1, 2014 0:44:40 GMT -5
A re-issue of this kit has been being considered for about 2 months now but no firm date set as I have alot of resin to pour at this time.
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Post by billj on Oct 2, 2014 20:28:09 GMT -5
Am I right in thinking that the A.J. Foyt car of 1966 can also be built using the Lotus 38? A few mods would be required and some decals, but otherwise isn't Foyt's 1966 car a "standard" Lotus 38?
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Post by lance on Oct 2, 2014 22:58:04 GMT -5
Foyt's primary car was a Coyote which was a reworked Lotus, this car was wrecked in practice and he qaulified a Lotus 38 while Snider qaulified the other Coyote on the outside of the first row.
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Post by johnwebster on Oct 3, 2014 18:59:54 GMT -5
I thought the comment about the track being 4'8.5" front and 5' rear was funny.
4'8.5" is the standard British and American railroad guage and was supposedly established by the ruts in the old Roman roads in England. The ruts were created by Roman chariots which were designed to accomodate two horse's (expletive deleted). 5' guage was standard in the southern United States before the 1880s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:59:45 GMT -5
I'm a brand newbie here on the Forum, but just wanted to jump in and say i'll sign up for the Lotus 38, and anything else from that timeframe. Does anyone do a Westlake Eagle?
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Post by beardogracing on Oct 9, 2014 22:54:25 GMT -5
It's an Eagle Weslake, (I know I made the same mistake)
Weslake Research and Development was founded by Harry Weslake, In 1966 Dan Gurney commissioned Weslake Engineering to build an Aubrey Woods designed 3.0-litre V12 Formula One engine for his Eagle Mk1.
Chris
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Post by alterrenner on Oct 10, 2014 4:57:25 GMT -5
Most of the horse's (expletive deleted) I work with are 5' 7" tall. Different gauge?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 20:01:40 GMT -5
Lola L-O-L-A Lola! I want 1
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Post by rusty on Nov 3, 2014 23:14:37 GMT -5
Any updates on the state of the mclaren?
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Post by lance on Nov 3, 2014 23:41:08 GMT -5
I am currently writing the text for the instruction, the photos (all 56 of them) are printed,I hope to have them pasted up by the end of the week. The Sprite cars are boxed and waiting on some micro mesh screen.
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Post by rusty on Nov 3, 2014 23:57:15 GMT -5
Wow! That is quite the extensive instruction sheet.
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Post by lance on Nov 8, 2014 16:51:49 GMT -5
ALL SPRITE CARS ARE BOXED AND GO IN THE MAIL THIS MONDAY!
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