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Post by raceparke on May 10, 2014 14:17:00 GMT -5
I recently reread an account of this race and also just recieved Lance's Etzel Watson roadster. Trying to decide which version of the roadster to build led me to wonder. . . Google shows that Rathman's Miglia di Monza winner is a Watson roadster sponsered by Leader Card and owned by John Zink. The Monza car is red with white on the sides and would require decals be printed- I don't see any existing sheets that could be bashed. Would the Etzel kit be convertible to the Monza car? The nose appears different; maybe adapt a Monogram Kurtis nose or are the dimensions more different? I don't know much about pre-1960 Watsons, maybe they are too different?
Also got to thinking how cool it would be to come up with Moss's Maserati El Dorado. Was this an American car with a Maser engine or was the chassis a factory creation?
Or the big Ferrari driven by Musso with help from Hawthorne and P. Hill. It came third overall ahead of guys like Ward, Sachs, Ruttman, Bryan, etc. It had a 4.1 engine (based on a 375+ LeMans winning engine?) and raced with number 12. A bright red Ferrari on the shelf next to roadsters and such sounds pretty fine too.
Maybe too much to bite off, but nothing's impossible. Thoughts, comments?
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Post by IndyCarModels on May 10, 2014 17:46:04 GMT -5
The maserati was built in Italy special for Monza and Indianapolis. It came to Indy but did not make the race. I'm not sure about the roadster that Rathman drove but I believe it was the once that Jimmy Reese ran at Indy and was later killed in that car. (Not 100 percent sure of that is how I am remembering it. I also think the Ferrari ran the races without pitting at a reduced speed.
TerryB
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Post by johnwebster on May 11, 2014 5:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by raceparke on May 11, 2014 11:08:50 GMT -5
Thank you so much!! What attachments those guys had- even the flagman!
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Post by predator on May 11, 2014 12:38:42 GMT -5
I've began a Maserati. Scale is approximatly 1:32  Jean |
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Post by lance on May 11, 2014 13:10:24 GMT -5
Indycals has decals for the 58 front row, at one time I produced these, may still have a 58 nose laying around.
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Post by gwstexas on May 12, 2014 9:21:47 GMT -5
Hi Racepark,
Rathman's Monza car was the only new Watson in 1957. It was driven at Indy that year by Troy Ruttman. Ed Elisian drove it as #5 in 1958 and bent it up badly in the first lap crash. Rathman put together the Monza deal with Leader Card and Watson. The car later became the DC Trucking Spl. Jimmy Reece did not drive this car. Reece was killed at Trenton in the Bowes Seal Fast car that Bob Veith drove at Indy.
The Indycals sheet for the 1958 #5 with some Leader Card markings added should be about right. But you'll need a '58 nose from Lance to get it correct.
Hope this helps,
Gary
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Post by raceparke on May 13, 2014 11:49:06 GMT -5
Thanks both Lance and Gary. The #5 1958 Indycals sheet looks perfect. I just would need "Leader Card Monza" markings in white. Is the side of the Monza car white or cream? Lance, I would be very grateful if you have a '58 nose. Thanks
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Post by IndyCarModels on May 13, 2014 12:34:12 GMT -5
I stand corrected.
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Post by jamesharvey on May 26, 2014 8:16:20 GMT -5
I think the Zink cars of this era had white side panels. I don't recall them ever being cream. Good luck with this.
Jim
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Post by lance on May 27, 2014 23:16:57 GMT -5
The side panels are white, I have a nose but have miss placed it. Will let you know when I dig it up. Lance
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Post by raceparke on May 28, 2014 16:54:32 GMT -5
Lance, thanks for keeping me in mind.
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Post by lance on May 30, 2014 20:15:57 GMT -5
Found it.
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Post by raceparke on Jun 1, 2014 11:34:55 GMT -5
Thank you for looking. Check or paypal? How much?
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Post by lance on Jun 1, 2014 18:13:47 GMT -5
P.M. sent
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Post by raceparke on Jun 25, 2014 13:13:47 GMT -5
Slowly getting this going. Thanks Lance for the '58 nose cone.  I cut down the tail fin to match pix I've seen. I'm not sure but maybe the headrest needs trimmed too??  Filling in vents, removing scoops adding an air intake, changing the gas filler opening, filling in the roll bar openings  More to follow- slowwwllly this summer season. |
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Post by Calvin on Jun 25, 2014 13:29:50 GMT -5
Fantastic! Its about time someone did a Monza USAC Roadster.
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Post by indy on Jun 25, 2014 13:58:32 GMT -5
Good job on the bodywork, once this gets primed it will look like it was poured this way.
Jordan
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Post by raceparke on Sept 16, 2014 14:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by indy on Sept 16, 2014 14:43:01 GMT -5
Nice work but was shocked how it when from bodywork to paint "skipping some steps" indeed LOL
Jordan
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Post by Art Laski on Sept 16, 2014 15:58:42 GMT -5
It followed the South Park business plan, but it worked out great.
1. Collect Parts
2. ?
3. Nice build
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Post by Calvin on Sept 16, 2014 17:57:16 GMT -5
Fantastic! This is a neat build...something different.
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Post by mjjracer on Sept 16, 2014 19:03:56 GMT -5
It followed the South Park business plan, but it worked out great. 1. Collect Parts 2. ? 3. Nice build I get it! The Underpants Gnomes, right? Pretty sure I use the same techniques. Still working on going past #1. MJ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 4:45:47 GMT -5
Really nice!
They used to have this car sitting in the lobby of the hotel. We would have a few barley pops and sit in it when it got late! I have two friends, both deceased, who went to these races with their families. John Lux, or his widow, has one of them filmed on 8mm.
Very cool build.
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Post by racerbrown on Sept 17, 2014 7:00:32 GMT -5
wow!
that thing really shines.
duane
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Post by Art Laski on Sept 17, 2014 22:32:58 GMT -5
It followed the South Park business plan, but it worked out great. 1. Collect Parts 2. ? 3. Nice build I get it! The Underpants Gnomes, right? Pretty sure I use the same techniques. Still working on going past #1. MJ You guessed it, MJ! |
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Post by raceparke on Apr 26, 2015 15:56:45 GMT -5
Using Indycals 1/25 1958 John Zink #5 decal for the sponsor and John Zink markings, the 1/18 same sheet for the numerals and GWS decals for the USAC shields and LeaderCard texts, I roll this car into the winners' circle.      Thank you Lance, Michael, Gary and all of you who followed this. . . Ciao for now, Dan Parke |
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Post by clm1545 on Apr 26, 2015 16:47:19 GMT -5
That looks great, Dan. Gary Doucette is working on the Jimmy Bryan Monza winner.
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Apr 27, 2015 8:06:25 GMT -5
Really well done. A great looking model.
Sandy
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Post by Patrick on Apr 27, 2015 14:05:22 GMT -5
Wow! A great job on this! The Monza Ferrari looks cool with the Firestone tires.
Patrick
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