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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 26, 2014 7:55:55 GMT -5
Like many others here I like to build cars with some historical significance attached to them. My question is directed to our resin casting pros. Have any of you considered doing the only Porsche race winning Indy Car? I can't help but wonder how the course of American open wheel racing might have been changed had Porsche been treated differently. Thanks.
John
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 27, 2014 12:27:09 GMT -5
Is anyone but me interested in this car? Anyone? Beuhler ........ Beuhler ....... Beuhler
John
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Post by Calvin on Feb 27, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 27, 2014 14:14:03 GMT -5
LOL! You're a funny guy. But that seems appropriate.
John
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Post by mjjracer on Feb 27, 2014 15:20:50 GMT -5
I always loved that car. I know I see 1/43rd resin sometimes on eBay, just too small for me. I was driving a Porsche at that time so I really enjoyed watching them across different formula.
Funny it's brought up. Going through my closet the other day and I found a cut-a-way poster of this car, with a nice photo on the other side. I don't have access to a large scanner, or I would post it. Really nice and probably helpful if someone wants to make one.
MJ
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Post by indycals on Feb 27, 2014 18:25:02 GMT -5
I was going to post my thoughts when I saw this thread, but decided to wait... unfortunately the response backs up what I was going to say: The response would be lukewarm at best. Yeah, there'd be some sales, but it would have to be done as a labor of love more than anything.
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Post by bocadiecast on Feb 27, 2014 19:11:49 GMT -5
I would love to have the Quaker State version as a 1/18 diecast. The two Foster's cars in 1/18 as well would be great additions to my collection. I could see myself droping $150 to $175 for each of these.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 27, 2014 19:58:39 GMT -5
The people have spoken. Thanks for the input . . . and the crickets
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Post by Calvin on Feb 27, 2014 20:54:08 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that obscure or cars that you don't see in magazines or videos just usually don't sell. The fact is Watsons, Lotus, 70's Mclaren, Eagles, 82 Wildcats 1993 Lolas do sell. The obscure cars that make it into magazines like for example the Smokey Yunick side pod car would sell.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 27, 2014 21:14:14 GMT -5
I guess I thought the only winning Porsche Indy car was pretty obscure. Not obscure enough I guess.
John
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Post by SWT500 on Feb 27, 2014 21:20:37 GMT -5
I find the diversity of comments interesting. For example, the Porsche race winner is a historically important car. Certainly not of the stature of an Indy winner but still significant. On the other hand, I fail to grasp the amount of interest in other cars, like the Yunick side car or Hamilton car recently discussed. For me, those are two cars that did not even qualify at Indy. To my knowledge, neither car ever raced anywhere. But, to each his own!
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Post by pntmachine on Feb 27, 2014 21:39:42 GMT -5
Bring on the Hurst Floor Shift Special. I was hoping thats coming soon in the "From the Workbench" thread!!!
Kevin
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 27, 2014 22:04:17 GMT -5
Steve, my thoughts are similar to yours about the significance of the Porsche car. Had Porsche stayed the course it may have changed the face of open wheel racing in this country.
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Post by Calvin on Feb 27, 2014 22:51:20 GMT -5
Bring on the Hurst Floor Shift Special. I was hoping thats coming soon in the "From the Workbench" thread!!! Kevin Kevin I dont mean to make an example out of your post in a bad way but just in a general way. ^^^^See John, I bring up one popular car, and it can hijack any obscure car thread very quickly.  ...I'm not trying to be "Mr Know it all" but this talk about what sells and what doesn't always fascinates me.....When my Classic Racing resins business gets bigger I plan on sending everyone annoying surveys and spam emails and junk mail that everyone hates!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 23:03:37 GMT -5
How accurate is the Monogram kit? What changes need to be made to bring it into the almost accurate category?
THANKS!
Mike
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Post by indy on Feb 27, 2014 23:18:33 GMT -5
The Porsche is only slightly interesting but on a tight budget, I wouldn't give false hope to the resin caster who might undertake it that they could count on me for a sale. Porsche is a solid marque but the chassis, driver, scheme, etc do not have enough appeal to me personally.
The odd-balls of engineering like the Smokey Sidecar and Eagle Aircraft Flyer (EAF) would just be interesting subjects because they are so different visually. I'd probably support both projects though the EAF is the only one I truly want if I could only afford one of the offerings. If you were at a contest/show with a pack of 1/25 IndyCar builds from all years, the Porsche would mostly blend in with the late 80s AMTs and Monograms while the Sidecar and EAF would definitely stick out and be talking points for anyone looking over the tables. Maybe that's part of the appeal!?
Jordan
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Post by indycals on Feb 27, 2014 23:33:40 GMT -5
but the chassis, driver, scheme, etc do not have enough appeal to me personally. Bingo. That's exactly why I expected a luke-warm response. Porsche just doesn't have the cache in open wheel that it does in sports cars, Fabi, while generally likable, isn't a particularly popular subject, the car was ok looking at best, but not novelty enough to have great interest. |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 27, 2014 23:35:35 GMT -5
How accurate is the Monogram kit? What changes need to be made to bring it into the almost accurate category? THANKS! Mike Not accurate at all....The March looks like a Lola, but the Lola looks like a March. All I can say is buy AMT kits. |
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Post by indy on Feb 28, 2014 0:00:56 GMT -5
Would the 1/24 Monogram Porsche engine fit under the 1/25 AMT March bonnet? One would think it might not fit due to the scale difference but has anyone tried it?
I don't think I have a Monogram Porsche in my collection and if I do, it buried in a storage unit 45 minutes from where I sit now.... and I'll be lucky if I see it in the next year....
Jordan
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Post by pntmachine on Feb 28, 2014 8:45:47 GMT -5
Bring on the Hurst Floor Shift Special. I was hoping thats coming soon in the "From the Workbench" thread!!! Kevin Kevin I dont mean to make an example out of your post in a bad way but just in a general way. ^^^^See John, I bring up one popular car, and it can hijack any obscure car thread very quickly. John sorry for the attempted hijacking. So can we possibly get the Cricket resin cast. Kevin |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 28, 2014 8:56:45 GMT -5
Very good points made by everyone. I'll go back to shoveling the driveway now.
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Post by indy on Feb 28, 2014 10:09:39 GMT -5
Very good points made by everyone. I'll go back to shoveling the driveway now. Just to be clear, it is not a bad thing to discuss subjects that interests us here to see if it is worth producing. Previous discussions have yielded new cars and reissued of beloved previous issues. I like how we get to interact with the resin and decal guys here. My hope is that being part of the group here strengthens their business. So, if you want something, I want you guys to speak up. My only request is to go easy on the vendors here and really make sure we appreciate them (they aren't in it for the money). Anecdotally, in reading about Chris Etzel hanging it up, I read that he did not appreciate showing his newly finished car to put for sale only to hear "so what's next." Sometimes, it is how we say something that matters. Remember to thank your suppliers for all they do, with your next order or just a quick email, note, or PM on this forum. Off to read some more about the Porsche Indy effort, this thread has me catching up some more on the history of the project since I only caught Indy 500s back in those days of my childhood. Jordan |
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Post by harveythedog2 on Feb 28, 2014 10:32:15 GMT -5
I always liked the Fosters livery much better than the green Quaker. Just me I guess.
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Post by 2lapsdown on Feb 28, 2014 10:39:03 GMT -5
Personally, I cherish my relationships with the vendors that have treated me so well over the years. I agree with your hope that this group has been good for the vendors. They have responded with wonderful products and services that years ago I could only dream of. I also love the passion we all share for the sport and the modeling hobby, and the way we all contribute here with respect and good humor. Truly a special group of guys.
John
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Post by billj on Feb 28, 2014 11:01:36 GMT -5
Myself, and I mean me personally, I have nothing against a Porsche engine car or any other Indy car. However, what always interests me are the earlier cars where there were various takes on innovation. The same chassis for everyone is just plain boring.
I love the freaky cars like the Smokey sidecar, the MT roller skate or the rear engine revolution of the mid to late 60's. I can't afford to build them all in resin but certain cars are just something to admire, if not for their racing success, perhaps for their odd attempt at being something new. I loved the cars MT brought to Indy in 1964, they looked so different than everything else. Certainly not a successful car, but unique in the way cars were built, when everyone could try to stay within the rules and create something faster. Many failed miserably, some tragically. They were, if nothing else, interesting to look at.
As much as I like Porsche, the Porsche engine cars looked like everyone else except for maybe the engine cover shape. It is a shame overall that Indy car has gotten so far away from it's beginnings of promoting innovation.
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Post by mjjracer on Feb 28, 2014 11:49:14 GMT -5
Would the 1/24 Monogram Porsche engine fit under the 1/25 AMT March bonnet? One would think it might not fit due to the scale difference but has anyone tried it? I don't think I have a Monogram Porsche in my collection and if I do, it buried in a storage unit 45 minutes from where I sit now.... and I'll be lucky if I see it in the next year.... Jordan I would just like to point out that the AMT and Monogram Marchs are 88Cs, whereas the one that won at Mid-Ohio was the 89C, which was made just for Porsche. MJ |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 28, 2014 11:54:05 GMT -5
Hey John this thread really caught fire!
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Post by Calvin on Feb 28, 2014 11:56:11 GMT -5
Kevin I dont mean to make an example out of your post in a bad way but just in a general way. ^^^^See John, I bring up one popular car, and it can hijack any obscure car thread very quickly. John sorry for the attempted hijacking. So can we possibly get the Cricket resin cast. Kevin Not your fault, I'm the one that said Side pod car first.....watch this...I'll say STP Super wedge and hijack it again. |
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Post by mjjracer on Feb 28, 2014 11:58:13 GMT -5
Very good points made by everyone. I'll go back to shoveling the driveway now. Just to be clear, it is not a bad thing to discuss subjects that interests us here to see if it is worth producing. Previous discussions have yielded new cars and reissued of beloved previous issues. I like how we get to interact with the resin and decal guys here. My hope is that being part of the group here strengthens their business. So, if you want something, I want you guys to speak up. My only request is to go easy on the vendors here and really make sure we appreciate them (they aren't in it for the money). Anecdotally, in reading about Chris Etzel hanging it up, I read that he did not appreciate showing his newly finished car to put for sale only to hear "so what's next." Sometimes, it is how we say something that matters. Remember to thank your suppliers for all they do, with your next order or just a quick email, note, or PM on this forum. Off to read some more about the Porsche Indy effort, this thread has me catching up some more on the history of the project since I only caught Indy 500s back in those days of my childhood. Jordan There were so many "if onlys" in that program. Al Sr. ran the first Porsche at Laguna in '87(?), and it not only looked like a dog, it was a dog. Al bailed, the car was bad, then Al Holbert was killed. That program was his baby, and Porsche had to start all over again. Then, just as they were becoming competitive, they built the ground breaking car with the forward placed turbo and all CF chassis, set to be huge step forward - only to have the rules quickly re-written to require aluminum. Remember, CF had been used in F1 for at least 5 years at that point. USAC had no patent on BS moves, CART was often just as bad. They just faded away after that. That car, with the Fosters livery, was really stunning. MJ |
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Post by Calvin on Feb 28, 2014 12:03:36 GMT -5
John how about just settling for the 1988 Porsche March?   This car didn't win the 500 but lost a wheel in the pit lane, isn't that pretty cool? If you want I can send you some Porsche Cam Covers to put on the AMT Cosworth engine. |
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