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Post by indydog on Jun 3, 2011 16:35:03 GMT -5
The FIA World Council met in Barcelona today: www.grandprix.com/ns/ns23283.htmlThey approved 1.6L 4 cylinder engines for 2013. If that's not bad enough, it states fuel injection running up to 500bar (6,250 psi)! God help people if a fuel line breaks! What are these people smoking? |
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Post by Patrick on Jun 3, 2011 20:04:45 GMT -5
I heartily support the 1.6 litre formula. I am, it's true. from the old school when drivers were artists and FUN to watch. F1 has slid way down hill for some time now. I'm not sure the 4 cylinder format is the best, perhaps a V6 would be of more interest to the manufacturers. High pressure FI...I don't know about that one.
Patrick
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 0:06:01 GMT -5
Jest read the F1 site, Four Cyl? I am afraid that we will be watching formula Ford or Mazda. I am old school too but I will take a Ferrari-Lancia D50 and its amazing DOHC V8 or a BRM H16 anyday. And yes, the four cylinder coopers and climax's were competitive in their own right. But a four sounds like an opening for Subaru and VW.
So let's compromise and go for the 1.6L V6 turbo.
John
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Post by Chris on Jun 7, 2011 0:20:55 GMT -5
I understood there is a possibility of the return of Ground Effects to go with the 1.6L Turbo engines, talk about one of the most exciting Eras in F1, the Turbo Ground Effects Years of the 80's!!! Remember the 1,000hp monsters that ran in this Era? I support it as long as they dont limit boost and add ground effects. It could be very interesting and get back to F1 being a Technological Leader.. Chris
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Post by mjjracer on Jun 7, 2011 11:00:44 GMT -5
I think I like it, though I would like them to have an option to use a V6. The 80s turbo era was pretty exciting and the BMW turbo 4 was an awesome machine. Also, think of the Toyota GTP cars.
I have to agree that there is nothing like the sound of a 12 cyl F1 car.
Speaking of which (though really off topic) one of the few F1 cars available to be seen at the Sonoma Historics (because of the pounding rain) was an early McLaren with the BRM V12. I was amazed at the size of this beast. Considering how tiny todays V8s are, this was quite the contrast. Even compared to a DFV. I'm sure it was a handful with that mighty lump in the back.
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Post by Patrick on Jun 7, 2011 22:18:17 GMT -5
Mark, I wish it ran! Loved the Lotus 49 with the Wee Scot's helmet on board.  My favorite...the BRP-BRM!  Most emotional favorite? a quiet Ferrari 312B2...  belissimo!! Patrick |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 16:27:00 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I want to see the drivers race. Get rid of separate wings and ground effects. If you can go through the corners flat out, why not replace the drivers with a brick?
It took balls to drive a 2,000 pound, 400 hp, car on 5 inch tires and yet it was pure artistry in motion when done well.
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Post by Chris on Jun 8, 2011 17:04:47 GMT -5
I think F1 should be like the Can Am series, " Rules? What Rules?" I dont want another spec series like Indy Car. It should be the Pinnacle of Motorsports, does it really matter if the the technology translates to passenger cars, eventually it does trickle down anyway. If you think a modern F1 car is easy to drive, you are sadly mistaken, with the drivers doing some 200+ adjustments to the car per lap at Monaco not including some 70 or so gear shifts I don't think there are many other series drivers who could competitively drive one without some serious training. It will be interesting when Hamilton and Stewart switch cars in a week or so. Even if the Mclaren is last years car it won't be easy. If the FIA wants to set general guidelines and set engine displacement then fine but let the Designers and Engineers go for it... The drivers are the best in the world no doubt and modern F1 cars should be the same. Chris  |
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Post by indydog on Jun 8, 2011 17:55:47 GMT -5
with the drivers doing some 200+ adjustments to the car per lap at Monaco not including some 70 or so gear shiftsChris IMHO that's part of the problem with F1. Other then weight jacking, brake bias and maybe a fuel setting, they shouldn't be adjusting anything. However, I do agree that the FIA should just set min chassis weight, engine displacement, maybe chassis size and let the teams "have at it". Oh, and outlaw ALL electronic driver aids. |
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Post by mjjracer on Jun 8, 2011 19:00:13 GMT -5
Mark, I wish it ran! Loved the Lotus 49 with the Wee Scot's helmet on board. Patrick Man, I wish I had gone on Sunday instead of Saturday. The only F1 car on the track was the Penske. He made two laps in the pouring rain, plowing through puddles, then called it quits. I had no idea there was a Lotus 49 there. I would really have loved to see that. Stupid Bay Area weather. Spoiled by 40+ years in San Diego. MJ |
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Post by Chris on Jun 8, 2011 19:46:03 GMT -5
The problem with banning Driver adjustments, is then they have to be done by telemetry or from the pits, computer hacks, or programed in, remember when they would do test runs and set all the transmission shifts for the automatic trans, talk about taking the challenge away from the driver. Even the almighty Porsche 917-10 Panzerwagens had a bunch of driver adjustments, turbo boost, ign. timing, brake bias, sway bars etc. I dont think they should allow 2 way telemetry let the drivers do it. So far I haven't seen a driver so busy he's crashed... I thought it was a bit funny during the Indy 500 Q-day they were talking about the drivers using the TOOLs in the car to maintain speed. They have no idea what a F1 driver has to do on a normal lap... Chris |
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Post by Patrick on Jun 8, 2011 21:36:54 GMT -5
"It took balls to drive a 2,000 pound, 400 hp, car on 5 inch tires and yet it was pure artistry in motion when done well."
Hear-hear!!!!!
As for adjustments? Who said all that was necessary to go fast? Yes, Jim Clark did have an adjustment in his Lotus 25 that allowed him to change the the fuel enrichment, but was it why Jimmy won races? I think not!
Let the drivers drive and no telemetry adjustments during a race(during practice is another matter!!).
Patrick
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