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Post by Patrick on Apr 11, 2011 0:10:04 GMT -5
Damn, I love the Cox models. This is the last of the complete kits I have! Its going to be... Lorenzo Bandini's 1966 typo246 F1/Tasman he drove to 2nd place at Monaco... now I have to cut out the front vents(such a pain!) and it should fit together fine. This car goes with Ferrari's other entry of John Surtees' 312-66 F1... an old slot body and a Heller 330 engine block... ...which snuggles nicely under the body. Patrick
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Post by 2lapsdown on Apr 11, 2011 8:32:38 GMT -5
You have magic in your hands!
John
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Post by illeagle10 on Apr 11, 2011 14:12:33 GMT -5
Patrick,
Your work and ideas are just amazing to me! I just got done watching Grand Prix with James Garner. Every time I see that movie, I think of you and your models!
Jim
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Post by kurzheck on Apr 11, 2011 19:50:38 GMT -5
Patrick,
Excellent work as usual. What bottom plate are you using on the Cox car? It doesn't look like the original part in the photo. Are you OK for tires?
Trevor
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Post by Patrick on Apr 11, 2011 21:16:22 GMT -5
Thanks all. Trevor, the bottom is the stock part all I did was a cut to separate the nose from it. I'll include some photos. As for the tires I have a source, who must remain anonymous, that has been helping me with tires for the 246 F1. I don,t know what I'm going to do for the 312 yet. I do know that the two cars had different width tires (the 312 had one width wider of tread).
Patrick
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Post by Chris on Apr 11, 2011 21:55:36 GMT -5
Another Grade A+ project from the Man.. Nice Stuff. Chris
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Post by Patrick on Apr 16, 2011 17:04:54 GMT -5
Working on the difficult front vents today... First, I drew a shape and cut it out. Then, repeated it on the other side and cut it out. lastly, glued the folded thin styrene sheet into place. This has worked out fine before. Patrick
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Post by Calvin on Apr 16, 2011 20:57:10 GMT -5
Fantastic!
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Post by Patrick on Apr 27, 2011 20:26:33 GMT -5
We continue the saga... The front scoop came out well... Ah, decal time, my favorite time in model building! I did some modification to the front suspension... It's coming together! assembly up next. Patrick
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 3:52:56 GMT -5
Very nice, it was always greatly dissapointing that John Surtees had his big Can Am crash and was not able to race that car in the 1966 Tasman Series. Chris Amon made up for it in the F2 based Dino later on, but there was something really cool about that first car they built for the Tasman series.
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Post by Patrick on Apr 28, 2011 12:22:36 GMT -5
I read in Surtees' book that he had told Dragoni, the team manager, that he would win the Monaco GP IF he was allowed to drive the 246 and not the overweight 312 F1 car. It seems that with Lorenzo's second place Big John would have been right, as I think he would have out driven Stewart. Justification? Surtees out drove Stewart with the fat 312...until the "beautiful pig" broke.
Patrick
PS John's recovery from that accident was phenomenal!
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Post by mjjracer on Apr 29, 2011 11:33:41 GMT -5
One of my strongest memories of my first Can-Am race (Road America, 1967) was walking up to John Surtees in the pits after the race. I mean, he was World Champion, for Ferrari no less!
I just stood there and stared. What's a 14 year old kid from Rockford Illinois gonna say to a World Champion??
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Post by mjjracer on Apr 29, 2011 11:41:16 GMT -5
Patrick, your projects are phenomenal. Is that a Lotus BRM in the background?
I loved those Cox kits as a kid. I'm jealous you had some. On the rare occasion I see one on eBay I just can't pay the price. Also loved the 1/32 Monogram Ferrari & Lotus. A friend was a designer for Monogram and did these cars. I saw a prototype and could not wait until they came out. I know there were concessions in the body shapes for slot car use, but I didn't care.
Thanks for sharing your work.
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Post by Patrick on Apr 29, 2011 19:59:30 GMT -5
I agree with you about the Monogram slot cars, I had to have the 158! I only wish the Lotus 33 was in 1/24!! The car in the background is a Lotus copy-car called a BRP, British Racing Partnership. It was driven by Innes Ireland and, no other than, Trevor Taylor...(TA_DA!). A solid backmarker racer, but just the type of car I love to model. It ran with a Coventry-Climax and a BRM. This one still needs an exhaust system. Thus car can easily be made from our old friend the AMT Lotus 29 Indy car.
Patrick
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Post by Patrick on Apr 30, 2011 18:57:18 GMT -5
Progress on the engine exhaust... It's going together well. Patrick
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2011 0:28:31 GMT -5
Here's the progress so far... the engine cover is finally moving shaping up. Patrick
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Post by indy on May 10, 2011 7:15:48 GMT -5
The engine looks great and the exhaust is impressive so far!
Jordan
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Post by Patrick on May 10, 2011 21:09:38 GMT -5
Mi grazie to all your comments! I do love this car. I'm glad Lorenzo had a great drive that day.
Patrick
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Post by martin on May 11, 2011 17:38:01 GMT -5
Concerning the wheels, the 246-66 rode on 13" cast magnesium-alloy, 5-spoke with 6.00-13 front and 7.00-13 rear Dunlop tires. This means that the Aero 158 chassis used the same (light blue) wheels and tires as in 1965. Only difference were rear center-lock wheels in 1966. The 312 in its first guise used 14" wheels shod with 5.50-14 (f) and 7.00-14 (r) Dunlops. The cast magnesium new pattern 5-spoke wheels were bolt on all four corners at Monaco (all according to J. Thompson, The Ferrari Formula 1 Cars 1948-1976, Aztex1976). I do not know the colour of the wheels used at Monaco, gold painted or bare magnesium. By the way, will this 312 be long-nose (practice only) or short-nose (race)? This very first 3-litre WC-qualifying race was the first F1-race I watched (on TV) 14 years old and was hooked ... I am fascinated by Your work Patrick, compliments from Vienna,
Martin
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Post by Patrick on May 11, 2011 20:11:27 GMT -5
Martin,
Thanks for the great info on the wheels and tires. I knew about the rear center lock, but was unsure about the fronts. As for the color of the wheels I'll recheck my copy of Grand Prix. My 312 car will be the race short nose car as I easily loved it's brutal look with the nose cut off. I too watched this race, but it was the 1964 race that was my first one watched and I was 14, too! The Aero 158 has since been my favorite F1 car.
Patrick
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Post by martin on May 12, 2011 8:02:28 GMT -5
Patrick, I think You know www.vsrnonline.com/Mags/MC/Vol4/ which states for the 312 at Monaco "bronze" coloured 15" slotted disc, center-lock rear wheels with Dunlops! I always believed those were first used at Reims. My fault! Martin
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Post by Patrick on May 12, 2011 19:34:07 GMT -5
Martin, Yes, I'm very familiar with that collection of goodies! I find that aspect of the different rims to be interesting and I'm always on the outlook for something odd for my model subjects. Some of the other guys in this group are just like me in that aspect. Concerning the 158...I found this photo online that shows the Ferrari team, perhaps during the first practice at the 1964 USGP at Watkins Glen. here's the team with Surtees seated in the same car... My interest is in the two lighter colored stripes that are on each side of the central blue stripe! What color are the two light colored stripes? This is my esoteric quest to answer this question about Ferrari F1 cars. Anyone have info on this query? Patrick
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Post by kurzheck on May 18, 2011 21:36:58 GMT -5
Comparing the tone to the NART decals in black and white photos I would say yellow but that is just a guess.
Trev
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Post by Patrick on May 18, 2011 23:00:49 GMT -5
I might agree with your assessment Trevor except yellow doesn't fit with what NART would use as a color scheme. Red, however, does make sense when taking into account that B&W film can mislead the historical analyzer (ships and aircraft photo analyzers are always arguing over this!) Patrick ps- How about the Elva? PPS-Forming up the engine cover...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 12:36:59 GMT -5
Patrick, I've been looking through your threads featuring builds from old slot car bodies with amazement. You do a beautiful job of creating silk purses from sow's ears. I dug around some more in the attic and found my formula one stable from 1966. The vacuformed Testors Honda was heavily raced and banged up, so it's a dead loss, but you've given me reason to believe that the Atlas BRM might be a candidate for resurrection as a scale model. It was heavy and not very fast and didn't get used a lot. Thanks for the inspiration.
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Post by illeagle10 on May 24, 2011 17:39:19 GMT -5
Patrick, must be the end of the school year! Looks like you're making up for lost time. Looks super! Love it!
Jim
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Post by Patrick on May 25, 2011 11:52:24 GMT -5
The Atlas body will be a good start Felix, go for it. The nose is too flat and will need a bit of space added. Any advice just ask.
Patrick
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 12:06:48 GMT -5
Great work and nice to see I'm not the only person who likes to live in the past in more ways than one. The nose of the BRM is to flat like the Cox version I restored a few years ago. I choose not to correct all the body shape, which is also too flat on the sides (space needed for the motor I suspect) as a mark of respect for the plastic kit industry of the 1960s. Hope you enjoy these two pics of my BRM and that they encourage you to restore old models as it can be a lot of fun.
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Post by Patrick on Jul 1, 2011 20:13:31 GMT -5
Great job on your BRM and I agree with your assessment of the Cox BRM body. I still feel the Eldon center Vee late season slot car body is the best example of the 64-65 F1 BRM.
I finally vac-formed the engine cover for the 246 F1 Ferrari and am going to trim it to fit. Final assembly is neigh here.
Patrick
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 5:56:10 GMT -5
Thanks Patrick, Can't wait to see the finished 246. love this era, nice lines and still plenty of visual stuff to attract the eye. Your detail is so good and interesting methods, certainly given me plenty to think about. I'm dissapointed there are so few F1 kits of this era in the 1/24th-1/25th scale but when it encourages work like this maybe it's not such a bad thing! I had to make my 1962 Stack pipe BRM from an autohobbies fibreglass slot body too. being a bit of a Graham Hill fan I had to have a his first F1 win and at least one Monoco winning car in my collection. I'm not familiar with the Eldon body, any pics? is it still possible to find them for sale?
Regards Ian
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