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Post by slidinsideways on Jun 20, 2008 13:05:57 GMT -5
While reviving this thread, I would like to see if we can compile a comprehensive list of all the resin kits by all of the different casters...both current and OOP...Interested?
Respectfully,
Bill
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Post by russd on Jun 20, 2008 14:26:57 GMT -5
Bill,
Yes. Will you be taking a first shot at this? Afterwards, we can fill in with anything you don't list. Do we want to also list the vacu-formed kits as well?
Russ
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2008 14:55:13 GMT -5
The problem with Perry's Resin on the Front Motor stuff is that the molds need work to get up to Perry's quality and he's reluctant to release ANYTHING under the Perry's name that are of lesser quality. Hi Pat, Sorry for being late, here. Tell ol' "what's his name" ( ;D ) that he should go ahead and pour all he can from those molds (figuratively speaking), drop the price and advertise as such. A lesson in Business 101 is it's better to make a few hundred dollars than none at all........... I have seen this with all kind of vendors and shop owners. They would rather die holding on to something than sell it for less than what they *think* it's worth. A lot of them do not realize that a product is only *worth* what someone else will pay for it. Not saying that Perry is doing that, but I believe everyone in the market for the models he has the molds for will realize that the *quality* might not be up to his *standards*, but will happily pay for them anyway. Mongo |
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Post by indy on Jun 20, 2008 15:19:27 GMT -5
Tell Perry to sell the stuff under a different product line  sheez! Someone get me a '91 Penske!! lol BTW, if we're going to put together a comprehensive list of resin and vacuform IndyCars then why not throw in the kits - there are just a few dozen of them... much less than the number of resin kits. Jordan |
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Post by drdave on Jun 20, 2008 16:00:07 GMT -5
Ok, Here is a start. I only build 500 winners so here is Bill's kit for them. I do know Bill has the 82, 83, 84 and the '91 in progress. I did some of the work on the masters for the 82, 83, and '91. So they should be coming sometime.
Bill Jorgensen Resin
1926, 28, 29 Miller 91
1931 Stevens/Miller
1937 Shaw/Offy
1946 Adams/Sparks
1947, 48, 49 Deidt/Offy
1950 Kurtis/Offy
1951 Kurtis/Offy
1952 Kuzma/Offy
1953,54 KK500A/Offy
1956 KK500C/Offy
1957, 58 Salih/Offy
1959-60, 62 Watson/Offy
1968 Eagle/Offy
1969 Hawk/Ford
1970 PJ Colt/Ford
1971 PJ Colt/Ford
1972 McLaren/Offy
1973 Eagle/Offy
1974 McLaren/Offy
1975 Eagle/Offy
1976 McLaren Offy
1977 Coyote/Ford
1978 Lola/Cosworth
1980 Chaparral/Cosworth
1985 March/Cosworth
1990 Lola/Chevy
1992 Galmer/Chevy
1993 Penske/Chevy
1994 Penske/Mercedes
1995 Reynard/Cosworth
1996 Reynard/Cosworth
1997 GForce/Aurora
2000 GForce/Olds
2001 Dallara/Olds
2002 Dallara/Chevy
2003 GForce/Toyota
2004 GForce/Honda
2005 Dallara/Honda
2006 Dallara/Honda
2007 Dallara/ Honda
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Post by slidinsideways on Jun 20, 2008 18:49:29 GMT -5
Bill, Yes. Will you be taking a first shot at this? Afterwards, we can fill in with anything you don't list. Do we want to also list the vacu-formed kits as well? Russ Russ D, Good questions! Honestly, I can't even take good aim at compiling this list much less shoot at it! I only know of a dozen or so resin kits, so I was actually hoping to be educated further on the subject... The following are the only resin casters I have heard of: Lance Sellers Bill Jorgensen Chris Etzel Gary Doucette (Front Motor)? the Vacuform guy Norm Veber(sic)@ R&M of Maryland (does some tires for open wheel) Bill H |
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Post by macsparty on Jun 20, 2008 20:04:25 GMT -5
I do know Bill has the 82, 83, 84 and the '91 in progress. I did some of the work on the masters for the 82, 83, and '91. So they should be coming sometime.  Happy day. I love the early '80s cars. Those will be high on my list indeed, especially '82 and '83. |
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Post by indy on Jun 20, 2008 20:23:57 GMT -5
Ok, Here is a start. I only build 500 winners so here is Bill's kit for them. I do know Bill has the 82, 83, 84 and the '91 in progress. I did some of the work on the masters for the 82, 83, and '91. So they should be coming sometime. Sweet mamajama!! I'll so be in for the '84 and '91!! ;D Bill might just be my favorite person right now - lol. Hope the flooding doesn't negatively affect him too much. Jordan |
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Post by 2lapsdown on Jun 20, 2008 20:24:45 GMT -5
Ditto on the early '80s cars. Geez, between all the great stuff Lance and Bill have coming and Lance doing the new tires I need to get a second job!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2008 13:25:03 GMT -5
Now that Randy from Perry's runs a hobby shop, even LESS will be coming from the resin line. Sorry, guys. --EDIT-- I've e-mailed him again today asking about the availability of the molds of the Front Motor stuff. Stay tuned.  |
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Post by stonecold44 on Jun 21, 2008 16:50:13 GMT -5
What is a typical and fair price to pay for one of these kits?
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Post by slidinsideways on Jun 22, 2008 17:19:20 GMT -5
Stonecold,
It seems like they range from about 40 bucks or so for a trans-kit to a bit over a hundred for a complete kit depending on the complexity of it. An average seems then to be about 70 dollars or so.
Bill H
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Post by racerbrown on Jun 22, 2008 20:42:42 GMT -5
i've been averaging about $70.00 on ebay for the jorgenson kits lately. i seem to win one about every other week. it seems like the more i visit this board the bigger my wish list grows!
duane
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Post by russd on Jun 23, 2008 6:58:59 GMT -5
Ok, Here is a start. I only build 500 winners so here is Bill's kit for them. I do know Bill has the 82, 83, 84 and the '91 in progress. I did some of the work on the masters for the 82, 83, and '91. So they should be coming sometime. Bill Jorgensen Resin 1926, 28, 29 Miller 91 1931 Stevens/Miller 1937 Shaw/Offy 1946 Adams/Sparks 1947, 48, 49 Deidt/Offy 1950 Kurtis/Offy 1951 Kurtis/Offy 1952 Kuzma/Offy 1953,54 KK500A/Offy 1956 KK500C/Offy 1957, 58 Salih/Offy 1959-60, 62 Watson/Offy 1968 Eagle/Offy 1969 Hawk/Ford 1970 PJ Colt/Ford 1971 PJ Colt/Ford 1972 McLaren/Offy, VPJ-Viceroy 1973 Eagle/Offy, VPJ-Viceroy 1974 McLaren/Offy 1975 Eagle/Offy 1976 McLaren Offy 1977 Coyote/Ford 1978 Lola/Cosworth 1980 Chaparral/Cosworth 1985 March/Cosworth 1990 Lola/Chevy 1992 Galmer/Chevy 1993 Penske/Chevy 1994 Penske/Mercedes 1995 Reynard/Cosworth 1996 Reynard/Cosworth 1997 GForce/Aurora 2000 GForce/Olds 2001 Dallara/Olds 2002 Dallara/Chevy 2003 GForce/Toyota 2004 GForce/Honda 2005 Dallara/Honda 2006 Dallara/Honda 2007 Dallara/ Honda Lance Sellers 1968 Lotus Turbine 1974 Reily 1981 Coyote, Interscope. Eagle Added a few more to the above list. I need to go through my stash of resin kits and make a list. |
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Post by indy on Jun 23, 2008 10:16:07 GMT -5
I didn't think Bill did a 2000 G-Force. Etzel did a really nice kit of course and Bill's been selling a knock-off of the Etzel kit but he's called it a Phantom Resin kit. I'd figured that wasn't his work, but I am not sure.
Also, I don't remember him ever doing a '68. This one could have been before my time, unlike the 2000 G-Force. All I've ever seen for the '68 is the MPC Rislone and the Maryland recast of the engine for the MPC Gurney kit.
Jordan
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Post by herk56 on Jun 23, 2008 11:53:39 GMT -5
Hey Jordan, just pulled a Bill Jorgensen Resin Cars price sheet from 1993 out of my files! Dot matrix printing and all! He lists a '68 Eagle multi-peice body with outer wheel halves for $20.00! This was before the plastic re-issues became common so I'm guessing he sold a few. He also listed an Offy engine kit. FWIW - Brian
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Post by indy on Jun 23, 2008 12:23:32 GMT -5
Good information - thanks!! It was before my time ;D wish he'd consider selling that Offy again.
Jordan
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Post by russd on Jun 24, 2008 20:05:05 GMT -5
Ok, Here is a start. I only build 500 winners so here is Bill's kit for them. I do know Bill has the 82, 83, 84 and the '91 in progress. I did some of the work on the masters for the 82, 83, and '91. So they should be coming sometime. Bill Jorgensen Resin 1926, 28, 29 Miller 91 1931 Stevens/Miller 1937 Shaw/Offy 1946 Adams/Sparks 1947, 48, 49 Deidt/Offy 1950 Kurtis/Offy 1951 Kurtis/Offy 1952 Kuzma/Offy 1953,54 KK500A/Offy 1956 KK500C/Offy 1957, 58 Salih/Offy 1959-60, 62 Watson/Offy 1968 Eagle/Offy 1969 Hawk/Ford 1970 PJ Colt/Ford 1971 PJ Colt/Ford 1972 McLaren/Offy, VPJ-Viceroy, Eagle(Savage) 1973 Eagle/Offy, VPJ-Viceroy 1974 McLaren/Offy 1975 Eagle/Offy 1976 McLaren Offy 1977 Coyote/Ford 1978 Lola/Cosworth 1980 Chaparral/Cosworth 1985 March/Cosworth 1990 Lola/Chevy 1992 Galmer/Chevy 1993 Penske/Chevy, Lola 1994 Penske/Mercedes 1995 Reynard/Cosworth 1996 Reynard/Cosworth 1997 GForce/Aurora, Lola/Menards 1998 GForce 2000 GForce/Olds 2001 Dallara/Olds 2002 Dallara/Chevy 2003 GForce/Toyota 2004 GForce/Honda 2005 Dallara/Honda 2006 Dallara/Honda 2007 Dallara/ Honda Lance Sellers 1968 Lotus Turbine 1974 Reily 1981 Coyote, Interscope. Eagle Open Wheel Replicas 1997 Swift KG Models 1983 March (Vac body with resin chassis) Added a few more to the above list. I need to go through my stash of resin kits and make a list. Added a few more. 1972 Eagle - Swede Savage (Tape Dispenser nose) 1997 Swift 1998 GForce - I think I got this directly from Bill J. Not sure how many were ever produced |
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Post by russd on Jun 25, 2008 6:03:44 GMT -5
The weird nose is a 1970 Eagle which was owned by Pat Patrick and stretched by Don Brown. This was Swedes '72 rookie ride and is often referred to as the "tape dispenser" car. Dan kind of missed the boat with the customer car that year. Patrick soldiered on with his after hiring Don "the prince of darkness" Brown to modify them How did you come across the kit? Thanks for the background on this car. "Tape Dispenser" ... thats a pretty good description of what it looks like. It sort of looks like someone forgot to put the nose on the car. I'll take a picture and post it tonight. I think its one of Bill's cars. I found it on Ebay a few yeas ago. I remember that there were a few listed on and off for a few years. There are no decals and you need a donor car for all the small bits and pieces. Not sure what I'll ever do with it, but it was such an ugly beast that I had to bid on it. I modified the list (above) to reflect this information |
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Post by russd on Jun 25, 2008 21:51:23 GMT -5
The weird nose is a 1970 Eagle which was owned by Pat Patrick and stretched by Don Brown. This was Swedes '72 rookie ride and is often referred to as the "tape dispenser" car. Dan kind of missed the boat with the customer car that year. Patrick soldiered on with his after hiring Don "the prince of darkness" Brown to modify them How did you come across the kit? Thanks for the background on this car. "Tape Dispenser" ... thats a pretty good description of what it looks like. It sort of looks like someone forgot to put the nose on the car. I'll take a picture and post it tonight. I think its one of Bill's cars. I found it on Ebay a few yeas ago. I remember that there were a few listed on and off for a few years. There are no decals and you need a donor car for all the small bits and pieces. Not sure what I'll ever do with it, but it was such an ugly beast that I had to bid on it. I modified the list (above) to reflect this information As promised... Pictures of the Savage 1972 "tape dispenser" Eagle   .... And... 1997 Menards Lola  I believe this is the actual master for this car. |
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Post by slidinsideways on Jun 25, 2008 22:05:37 GMT -5
Man, those are some sweet pieces!  |
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Post by indy on Jun 25, 2008 23:58:31 GMT -5
That Menarded Lola was a '95/'96 as '97 was the first year of the IRL chassis and non-turbo V8s. I watched that auction... did I bid on it? I don't remember but I remember not winning it - lol. Nice car! Going to do a Tony Stewart car or Scott Brayton - there are other options but not as good options IMHO.
That would be a cool car to do a short run of.... (hint, hint)
Jordan
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Post by russd on Jun 26, 2008 5:55:26 GMT -5
That Menarded Lola was a '95/'96 as '97 was the first year of the IRL chassis and non-turbo V8s. I watched that auction... did I bid on it? I don't remember but I remember not winning it - lol. Nice car! Going to do a Tony Stewart car or Scott Brayton - there are other options but not as good options IMHO. That would be a cool car to do a short run of.... (hint, hint) Jordan DOH! Yup, your absolutely right. It has to be a 95/96. Thanks! I'm willing to send it back to Bill so he can make copies. |
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Post by herk56 on Jun 26, 2008 7:24:04 GMT -5
So you're the one that outbid me on that Swede Savage car! I think it was called the "Antares" (sp.?). Must mean anteater in some language!
Brian
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Post by russd on Jun 26, 2008 9:55:27 GMT -5
So you're the one that outbid me on that Swede Savage car! I think it was called the "Antares" (sp.?). Must mean anteater in some language! Brian RE: outbid -> sorry about that mate. RE: Antares -> That sounds familar. Wasn't there a car called the Antares also? If your still interested in this car, I'd suggest contacting Bill. I remeber seeing a couple of these show up on Ebay. |
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Post by herk56 on Jun 26, 2008 10:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by russd on Jun 26, 2008 20:05:20 GMT -5
So you're the one that outbid me on that Swede Savage car! I think it was called the "Antares" (sp.?). Must mean anteater in some language! Brian RE: outbid -> sorry about that mate. RE: Antares -> That sounds familar. Wasn't there a car called the Antares also? If your still interested in this car, I'd suggest contacting Bill. I remeber seeing a couple of these show up on Ebay. I looked up the Antares in the book "Indianapolis 500 Chronicle" by Rick Popely. There was a 1972 "computer designed" car called the Antares driven by Roger Mcluskey #14. I think the nose on the Swede Savage Eagle nose was also referred to as an Antares design. It also looks like Johnny Rutherford drove a Brabham #18 chassis with a nose that looks a lot like the Savage Eagle/Antares. Both of these were fielded by Michner-Patrick racing. |
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sheez! Someone get me a '91 Penske!! lol
Happy day.
