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Post by lance on Jan 1, 2021 17:18:13 GMT -5
As I finally have a feel for where I am going with this I thought I would start sharing it.
Here is the build to date.
I made this jig to help keep the shape of the fenders consistent. Putty is applied to the top of the fender and the jig
is then pressed into it, when the putty has dried it will be used as a guide to fill in the low spots.
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Post by raceparke on Jan 1, 2021 17:28:56 GMT -5
Oh my! This will be lovely. I’ll just keep building more shelves. . .
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Post by Orso on Jan 1, 2021 19:34:18 GMT -5
Sorry. You are not allowed to build that. This is Open Wheel Racing Modeling and that is NOT open wheels  An interesting and good looking object. I looks like you have made a good start on the project. |
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Post by hurtubise56 on Jan 1, 2021 20:20:55 GMT -5
But this is how it ran:  Looks Open Wheel to me! |
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Post by scalecentral on Jan 1, 2021 23:06:34 GMT -5
But this is how it ran: Looks Open Wheel to me! Which also means one needs to buy two copies when they are available to make both versions. |
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Post by pbh51 on Jan 1, 2021 23:44:45 GMT -5
But this is how it ran: Looks Open Wheel to me! Which also means one needs to buy two copies when they are available to make both versions. I''m in for that! |
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Post by indydog on Jan 2, 2021 6:35:48 GMT -5
Me likey!
Would you offer it with or without the full canopy?
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Post by jamesharvey on Jan 2, 2021 9:44:10 GMT -5
This is just great! This is just amazing! Count on Lance for an interest in special, historical cars and knowledge of Indy. There were two steamliners at Indy in 1955. The Sumar shown here and the Belond Miracle Power Spl.driven by Jim Rathmann which finished 14th. A third was planned for Bill Vukovich but was not completed in time for the race so he drove a Kurtis 500C for Lindsey Hopkins. The only other model I ever saw of this car was one by Bob Clindist which is remarkable. Walt (Old Photos) can share more about it if he wished. Anyway, this site is terrific because projects like this just keep popping up. Model on!
Jim
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Post by lascar on Jan 2, 2021 12:11:59 GMT -5
Amazing work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jj66 on Jan 2, 2021 16:17:14 GMT -5
Another great subject! Count me for one if you make a kit
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Post by oldphotos on Jan 2, 2021 20:08:01 GMT -5
The Bob Clindist Sumar streamliner now sit in my collection, I have brought it to Indy IPMS show to be part of the display of Indy Car models. Lance & I sponsor The Bob Clindist Award for the Best Indy Car Model at the Show.
Bob's model was hand carved out of balsa wood in 1955/56 and handed painted & lettered, A true work of Art
Join us this year IF they have the show Lance can add more details about the show dates and location.
Oldphotos
Walt
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Post by indydog on Jan 3, 2021 5:01:51 GMT -5
Join us this year IF they have the show Lance can add more details about the show dates and location. Oldphotos Walt We are planning to: www.ipmsroscoeturner.org/Note the new location. |
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Post by alwaysindy on Jan 3, 2021 13:04:11 GMT -5
Question:
Why did the MB streamliner work so well on high speed circuits (Rheims/Monza), but streamliners didn’t work at Indy (Sumar/ Belond)? Would the Kurtis streamliner for Vuky in 1955 have been a success? Were there design flaws or were drivers just uncomfortable with not seeing the tires? What do you guys think?
Tim
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Post by oldphotos on Jan 3, 2021 20:43:01 GMT -5
On The Sumar Streamliner the driver was uncomfortable not being able to see the tires so they removed the fender, on the Belond Streamliner the tires where not fully covered, so I guess you could say it was not a full streamliner.
As far as the Mercedes Streamliners I think Mercedes had a lot more knowledge when it came to aerodynamics than the Indy Car Builders who built there car in small shops and didn't have the might of Mercedes behind them. all the cars where all built about the same time.
As far as Vuky's car they wanted to put a Novi engine in the car but Lew Welch wouldn't sell them a motor so work was stopped on the car and was not finished until a few years ago with a Offy.
You noticed Mercedes didn't bring any of there Streamliners to run against the Indy Cars in the Race Of The Two Worlds At Monza in 1957/58
This is Just my Guess on most of this, But the facts about the Sumar fenders is True
Oldphotos
Walt
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Post by jamesharvey on Jan 4, 2021 9:01:17 GMT -5
I had the good fortune to see the Vukovich streamliner in LaJolla, CA several years ago after it was finished. It looked more like the Sumar car than the Belond. It was painted a deep maroon/red with a gold #4 and "Fuel Injection Special" lettering. I lost track of what happened to it but I think it may have been sold at the Auburn, IN Kruze auction. At the time I saw the car I was told they offered it to the IMS Museum for $200,000 but were turned down because the car never ran at the Speedway. Bob Gates book, "Vukovich," gives a good description of the development of Vukovich streamliner pp. 171-172.
I agree with Walt that Mercedes had more knowledge and experience with aerodynamics given their Gran Prix cars of the 1930s which probably carried over after WWII. They also probably did not consider running in the Race of Two Worlds since they had withdrawn their streamliners after the LeMans crash in 1955.
Jim
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Post by lance on Jan 9, 2021 19:16:57 GMT -5
Not much progress as I have been pouring a lot of resin but I do have the rear fenders mostly done, now starting to feel my way through the front end.   |
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Post by lance on Jan 9, 2021 19:19:23 GMT -5
I am hoping to do this with the bubble canopy but not sure how well it will vac. form, I have a way to go before I have to worry about it.
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Post by lance on Jan 19, 2021 21:29:16 GMT -5
One fender left to go, these thing are a bit intimidating if you are not used to carving them. Hopefully things will speed up a bit after they are roughed in.   |
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Post by Art Laski on Jan 22, 2021 0:20:28 GMT -5
That is so cool to see your process, Lance! Love your talent...
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Post by jamesharvey on Jan 22, 2021 11:08:56 GMT -5
Looks like you are making good progress, Lance. A little bit each day. I was wondering about the second photo you posted with the car leaving the pits with the full side panels on. I think the driver might be Fred Agabashian rather than Jimmy Daywalt. Daywalt's helmet was different and Agabashian's might be like it was when he drove the Merz Engineering car in 1954. One reason the drivers wanted to see the tires was to be able to check tire wear. The compounds/treads were quite hard in those days so only 2-3 pits stops were needed. The rayon cord which was white would begin to show through when the tire wore out letting the driver know he needed to pit. This was a factor in the 1959, 1960 and 1961 races. Thanks for doing this. It looks great.
Jim
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Post by lance on Jan 22, 2021 13:15:38 GMT -5
Pretty sure it is Johnny Boyd in the second photo.
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Post by oldphotos on Jan 22, 2021 19:12:40 GMT -5
Lance Your right It is Johnny Boyd he was driver of the other Sumar car in 1955 car #39 which was involved in the Vukovich wreck.
Boyd was most likely taking a test hop in the car early in the Month Of May which was quite common in those day. A lot of driver tried different car for other drivers. 1961 Tony Bettenhausen was killed trying out his best friend Paul Russo's car and was killed.
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Post by lance on Jan 23, 2021 16:23:58 GMT -5
All four fenders are roughed in, will now mark some panel lines and reference points before removing the sides. Things will then be cleaned up, primed and molded, from these castings the final master will be made.   |
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Post by indydog on Jan 23, 2021 20:26:58 GMT -5
Lance, are you going to offer it both with and without the fenders?
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Post by hurtubise56 on Jan 24, 2021 9:25:07 GMT -5
I certainly hope I'm not in the minority in saying I would rather see the "naked" version if there's only one kit done. However, I would definitely buy both if available!
Brian
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Post by raceparke on Jan 24, 2021 10:35:50 GMT -5
On the other hand, I like the uniqueness of the fendered version. I would definitely purchase that, not so sure about the “undressed” version.
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Post by lance on Jan 24, 2021 17:07:10 GMT -5
To do the car as it qualified would require about a million louvers to be added to the car, many recessed- not going to happen.
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Post by hurtubise56 on Jan 24, 2021 20:18:15 GMT -5
Raised resin decal louvers are available. You could leave the louvering up to the builder.
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Post by indydog on Jan 24, 2021 20:23:58 GMT -5
Raised resin decal louvers are available. You could leave the louvering up to the builder. I agree... I think both versions would be cool. |
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Post by raceparke on Jan 25, 2021 9:06:04 GMT -5
With all the effort Lance has put in shaping the fenders, and considering how cool the streamlining looks, I’m still on the side of fenders, even though this is an Open Wheel site. . .👍👍
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